[Jordan.]

The pros of a uniform far outweigh the seemingly one con of "how will I possibly express my huge personality for these 6 hours of the day "

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The pros of a uniform far outweigh the seemingly one con of "how will I possibly express my huge personality for these 6 hours of the day "

Why are these uniforms so important though? It's not going to change them mentally, the only thing it CAN do is make them feel restricted and/or uncomfortable. Are they going to feel empowered for having the same outfit as everyone else? Idgi

And it gives them 5 extra minutes in the morning that they would've wasted on picking out an outfit.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Why are these uniforms so important though? It's not going to change them mentally, the only thing it CAN do is make them feel restricted and/or uncomfortable. Are they going to feel empowered for having the same outfit as everyone else? Idgi

And it gives them 5 extra minutes in the morning that they would've wasted on picking out an outfit.

So, it's not important, not going to change them, but it's such a big deal that Jennie NEEDS to wear her jeans to school to express how different and unique and original she is and it's being stifled by uniform rules?

Ok.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, it's not important, not going to change them, but it's such a big deal that Jennie NEEDS to wear her jeans to school to express how different and unique and original she is and it's being stifled by uniform rules?

Ok.

You're looking too far into it just because I said clothes help people express themselves (it's not this huge important psychological thing but it's a fact). It's a less important way of someone expressing themselves through their personality. Take that out of it though:

It's as simple as: if a kid wants to wear sweats & a t-shirt to school, they shouldn't be told no they have to wear this restricted uniform in order to LEARN because their parents want them going to that school with these uniform rules in place. The student's education is all that should matter that's why I don't think schools should have uniforms.

I want to know why it's such a big benefit for the students to have the uniform rules in place.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

You're looking too far into it just because I said clothes help people express themselves (it's not this huge important psychological thing but it's a fact). It's a less important way of someone expressing themselves through their personality. Take that out of it though:

It's as simple as: if a kid wants to wear sweats & a t-shirt to school, they shouldn't be told no they have to wear this restricted uniform in order to LEARN because their parents want them going to that school with these uniform rules in place. The student's education is all that should matter that's why I don't think schools should have uniforms.

But this doesn't make sense. If the education is all that should matter, what's the issue with uniforms?

Also, over here it's not a case of "Wear it because your parents chose this school" the vast majority of schools have uniforms. It's the "norm" funnily enough.

[JerseyWins]

To add to that:

"It's such a big deal that Jennie NEEDS to wear her jeans to school"

It's not and I'm not saying it is. You're arguing against a student having the freedom to wear what they want and giving no real reasons why either lmao. There should be reasons to go against the NORM of everyday life of picking out your clothes in the morning like any adult would do

Is it such a big deal if a kid wants to wear sweat pants & a comfy shirt to school? I really don't think it should be and that's my whole argument.

School: Uniforms are a thing
Me: Is it such a big deal that kids might want to dress freely?
You: Is it such a big deal that kids might want to dress freely?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

To add to that:

"It's such a big deal that Jennie NEEDS to wear her jeans to school"

It's not and I'm not saying it is. You're arguing against a student having the freedom to wear what they want and giving no real reasons why either lmao. There should be reasons to go against the NORM of everyday life of picking out your clothes in the morning like any adult would do

Against the norm of everyday life?

So, men go to work in suits and ties and women in pencil skirts and blouses because that was their own individual, original and creative choice that is unique to them and no one else? Ok.

What's your next comment? Kids should be allowed to decide whether to go to school because adults get to decide whether they go to their job?

School: Uniforms are a thing
Me: Is it such a big deal that kids might want to dress freely?
You: Is it such a big deal that kids might want to dress freely?

Erm, no, I'm asking why you think uniform is a bad idea, your answer being that it stifles them creatively and as individuals then in the same breath saying "So what if there's no uniform it aint a big deal". It's either a big deal or it isn't, you can't use both arguments.

[Jordan.]

The funny thing is the students that actually care about their education, follow the rules and generally have their priorities in the right place don't give a **** if they have to wear a uniform, it's the one's who are defiant for the sake of it that kick up a fuss.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The funny thing is the students that actually care about their education, follow the rules and generally have their priorities in the right place don't give a **** if they have to wear a uniform, it's the one's who are defiant for the sake of it that kick up a fuss.

Those students are going to have their priorities straight regardless of a uniform or not, so why give the ones who aren't in that same state of mind another reason to revolt and not be happy with learning?

It's not free and it's not logical

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Those students are going to have their priorities straight regardless of a uniform or not, so why give the ones who aren't in that same state of mind another reason to revolt and not be happy with learning?

Why would they revolt? It's not that serious, or is it?

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

It's not free and it's not logical

And wearing your own clothes is free? In many cases it will be many times more.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Those students are going to have their priorities straight regardless of a uniform or not, so why give the ones who aren't in that same state of mind another reason to revolt and not be happy with learning?

It's not free and it's not logical

If they're not happy with the rules they signed up for when they applied for the school they still have all the freedom in the world to go elsewhere.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why would they revolt? It's not that serious, or is it?



And wearing your own clothes is free? In many cases it will be many times more.

To a kid, especially not in the right frame of mind, it could easily be

I thought this was a serious debate but you literally give no input to pro-uniforms or even responses to my actual argument... It's just literally "JENNIE needs to wear her jeans" and smartass comments like that. So I guess I'm done with my point

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If they're not happy with the rules they signed up for when they applied for the school they still have all the freedom in the world to go elsewhere.

Do the parents not decide the schools their students go to over there?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

To a kid, especially not in the right frame of mind, it could easily be

I thought this was a serious debate but you literally give no input to pro-uniforms or even responses to my actual argument... It's just literally "JENNIE needs to wear her jeans" and smartass comments like that. So I guess I'm done with my point

You expected serious responses to "Uniforms are unnatural and prevent children from expressing their individual unique and specialness". Ok.

And a kid not in the right frame of mind? The answer to that is the kid is revolting because they're "not in the right frame of mind" not because she's wearing the same clothes as the other girls in her class.

[Marsh.]

Well, your comment would make sense if there was one "button up shirt" and one "skirt". There isn't.

"Natural way of life"

"It's not psychological" "It's a psychological argument" Which is it?

"It doesn't affect their learning" "It's only possible for them to learn less efficiently" Do you wanna try that one again? :/

[user104658]

I mean no one is really willing to address the fact that the same thing still happens anyway; some people have quality uniforms (good cut, good fit, good fabric) and others have primary tat that rips up the arse the first time they bend down to pick up a pencil . Plus nicer coats, bags, shoes... You can still tell who the poorer kids are. It was that way at both of my schools and its still the same at my daughter's primary school.

I mean on balance I'm actually FOR uniforms... I think it's a better aesthetic for a school... Though I don't think it's of huge importance and I don't think it has much impact on bullying at all and honestly if anything I think kids are more likely to be bullied for a scruffy / too small uniform than for wearing cheap casual clothes.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean no one is really willing to address the fact that the same thing still happens anyway; some people have quality uniforms (good cut, good fit, good fabric) and others have primary tat that rips up the arse the first time they bend down to pick up a pencil . Plus nicer coats, bags, shoes... You can still tell who the poorer kids are. It was that way at both of my schools and its still the same at my daughter's primary school.

I mean on balance I'm actually FOR uniforms... I think it's a better aesthetic for a school... Though I don't think it's of huge importance and I don't think it has much impact on bullying at all and honestly if anything I think kids are more likely to be bullied for a scruffy / too small uniform than for wearing cheap casual clothes.

Agree with almost everything here

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course its a good idea

better for parents, better for the school, better for cohesion and identitiy and it stops children wasting money by being hoodwinked by marketing any more than they get at weekends.

I agree its still easy to spot the poorer kids but its not meant to totally cloak "wealth" its to try and stop children flaunting it through ignorant parents (they ones who live in a 3 bed semi but drive a compact Range Rover on £550 finance a month and can barely pay their gas bill, or drive a small BMW even though its unreliable, sh1t in snow and expensive to run). Its to stop childrn having to !"worry" about what they wear everyday and obsess about "what others think of them" and fitting in with the popular tribe etc etc

School is to learn about things you can use all through your life and its not about being popular and children have to be protected from themselves until finally the penny drops (in their late 20s!)

[Nicky91]

against

they look so ugly and uncomfortable

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

against

they look so ugly and uncomfortable

do you even understand why they were introduced?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

do you even understand why they were introduced?

no and i don't need to know

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

against

they look so ugly and uncomfortable

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no and i don't need to know

[bots]

I am personally all for school uniforms ...... on young ladies over the age of 18

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no and i don't need to know

nnn

[Niamh.]

For, although I had a massive issue with girls having to wear skirts when I was at school, got into alot of arguments with teachers about it. My own daughter has a choice and surprise surprise about 99% of the girls at her school chose to wear trousers ........

So yeah i think it saves time in the mornings and makes life easier in general for parents and students

[JerseyWins]

Ok looking through other posts in the thread...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean no one is really willing to address the fact that the same thing still happens anyway; some people have quality uniforms (good cut, good fit, good fabric) and others have primary tat that rips up the arse the first time they bend down to pick up a pencil . Plus nicer coats, bags, shoes... You can still tell who the poorer kids are. It was that way at both of my schools and its still the same at my daughter's primary school.

I mean on balance I'm actually FOR uniforms... I think it's a better aesthetic for a school... Though I don't think it's of huge importance and I don't think it has much impact on bullying at all and honestly if anything I think kids are more likely to be bullied for a scruffy / too small uniform than for wearing cheap casual clothes.

I addressed these things in one of my first few posts in this thread before the paragraphs of back and forth rambling

But great all-around post Toy Soldier

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Of course its a good idea

better for parents, better for the school, better for cohesion and identitiy and it stops children wasting money by being hoodwinked by marketing any more than they get at weekends.

I agree its still easy to spot the poorer kids but its not meant to totally cloak "wealth" its to try and stop children flaunting it through ignorant parents (they ones who live in a 3 bed semi but drive a compact Range Rover on £550 finance a month and can barely pay their gas bill, or drive a small BMW even though its unreliable, sh1t in snow and expensive to run). Its to stop childrn having to !"worry" about what they wear everyday and obsess about "what others think of them" and fitting in with the popular tribe etc etc

School is to learn about things you can use all through your life and its not about being popular and children have to be protected from themselves until finally the penny drops (in their late 20s!)

Actually I think these are all pretty fair arguments but it's more for the parents than the schools to teach upon their kids. So if some kids are going to be materialistic and flaunt what they have, other kids should be sheltered from this during school hours and limited in one of the ways they can express themselves in their own way? Whether fitting in or taking a stand on something, this is all part of growing up for kids. Uniforms aren't going to limit the cliques, and the worries, and the bullying etc... these things will happen all the time in schools with uniforms as well. I don't think it can be hidden from children whether it's 6 hours in a day with their peers or throughout the entire day. It's not something uniforms fix IMO. And it's just not of importance for a kid's education so why are schools essentially censoring them during school hours? They should be free & casual, or whatever they'd like, with what they wear to go learn.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

For, although I had a massive issue with girls having to wear skirts when I was at school, got into alot of arguments with teachers about it. My own daughter has a choice and surprise surprise about 99% of the girls at her school chose to wear trousers ........

So yeah i think it saves time in the mornings and makes life easier in general for parents and students

That's good, I don't mind it as much if there's some choice so that the kids don't feel uncomfortable or forced into wearing something There's some more decision making there for what they like and want to wear while learning.

I personally think the saving time argument is an exaggeration though tbh. It should in most cases save maybe 5 minutes or less per morning to not have to pick out an outfit... and if the uniforms are delayed / mis-scheduled in the wash or misplaced somewhere then that's going to actually take a lot of extra time.

I do think it's a pretty good thing for parents though as they'd likely be saving some money on kids' outfits (assuming the prices to get a uniform are reasonable which I believe they are mostly pretty affordable).