[Sunny_01]

I think that on the whole most people are aware of what they say and do! I would not expect anyone to make excuses for me or my behaviour to struggle when another adult has this many people making excuses for her. She is an intelligent young woman and knows right from wrong, she chose to say something she knows is a sensitive word and has paid the price.

I would never assume to call a black person that, why would anyone assume it's ok to call someone that, it is degrading.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by easypeasy
when you get a mixed race pair of freinds sat around singing rap and r n b tunes together all day you cant really be surprised if the n word slips out sooner or later.........black people should clean up the problem on their own doorsteps (the use of the word in their own music and video) if they really want to see the end of the words use. i guess thats not easy to do though because it only takes a minority to give the majority a bad name.

have you used that word?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by easypeasy
when you get a mixed race pair of freinds sat around singing rap and r n b tunes together all day you cant really be surprised if the n word slips out sooner or later.........black people should clean up the problem on their own doorsteps (the use of the word in their own music and video) if they really want to see the end of the words use. i guess thats not easy to do though because it only takes a minority to give the majority a bad name.

Good post.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by GiRTh

yep i heard it, i think charley set emily up big time,.

How could she have set her up? [/quote]by lulling her into a false sense of security and making it appear as if she was comfortable with the word by using it herself, by singing rap songs with emily all afternoon.........its easy to slip up when your singing and even easier to slip up when you think someone pretends to be something they are not, Charley wanted the house to hear her class herself as n######, she shouldnt be surprised if it sticks.

[Sunny_01]

Oh great so now the big conspiracy starts, how on earth can this be Charley's fault? Emily is an adult capable of making her own decisions about what she does and does not say.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by easypeasy

How could she have set her up?

by lulling her into a false sense of security and making it appear as if she was comfortable with the word by using it herself, by singing rap songs with emily all afternoon.........its easy to slip up when your singing and even easier to slip up when you think someone pretends to be something they are not, Charley wanted the house to hear her class herself as n######, she shouldnt be surprised if it sticks. [/quote]I dont think Charleys got the brains to do that.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Oh great so now the big conspiracy starts, how on earth can this be Charley's fault? Emily is an adult capable of making her own decisions about what she does and does not say.

I posted something like this on the 'Charley' section of the contestants forum. Stubborn Emily fans have to find someone to blame for poor little Emily's removal from the house, don't they?

[sunlight]

Originally posted by easypeasy

How could she have set her up?

by lulling her into a false sense of security and making it appear as if she was comfortable with the word by using it herself, by singing rap songs with emily all afternoon.........its easy to slip up when your singing and even easier to slip up when you think someone pretends to be something they are not, Charley wanted the house to hear her class herself as n######, she shouldnt be surprised if it sticks. [/quote]

oh my god charley is the anti christ she can make words come out your mouth.

[Sunny_01]

I just cant believe that people can even think about holding Charley responsible for what another person "chooses" to say. Emily said it in a desperate attempt to seem cool to Charley and it backfired.

[Mrluvaluva]

I agree Sunny. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by sunlight

have you used that word?

yeah Ive been in emily's position, Im far from racist, been into dub reggae for 20 years and think most black culture is great.
My mate at work and i were always shouting along lyrics to rap tapes and i always used to make a conscious effort not to say the n word out loud but i slipped up once, I'll never forget how upset my mate was by the word coming from my lips, made me realise, he told me off big time and i felt hollow but he understood it was an accident.
he even told me not to say "shizzle ma nizzle" because its obvious what nizzle means.......It aint easy being a honky in a black man's scene. hehe

[sunlight]

emily did say sorry unlike some of her fans she knows she was wrong.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Oh great so now the big conspiracy starts, how on earth can this be Charley's fault? Emily is an adult capable of making her own decisions about what she does and does not say.

now you really are selling Charley short......she's not stupid, thats why she also lied about lesley supposedly weeing in the shower.

[Sunny_01]

I suppose sunshine that is the key, she has openly accepted that what she said was wrong yet her fans refuse to acknowledge that she is wrong! doesnt make sense to me really

[sunlight]

Originally posted by easypeasy

yeah Ive been in emily's position, Im far from racist, been into dub reggae for 20 years and think most black culture is great.
My mate at work and i were always shouting along lyrics to rap tapes and i always used to make a conscious effort not to say the n word out loud but i slipped up once, I'll never forget how upset my mate was by the word coming from my lips, made me realise, he told me off big time and i felt hollow but he understood it was an accident.
he even told me not to say "shizzle ma nizzle" because its obvious what nizzle means.......It aint easy being a honky in a black man's scene. hehe

you were singing to a song that was playing emily wasn't she said to charley push it out you n**** there was no music and she wasn't singing. don't put that as the same as your situation. and how many black friends do you think emily's got?

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

I agree with the people that are saying that black people are just as much to blame as white people and from what I have read in this topic I feel that the black people are kind of going on at the white people too much. Ok so you have been called the N word in the past and been bullied for it but if black rappers didn't use this word all the time in their music then this generation of people wouldn't use these words! so I guess to stamp this out completely we need to make sure that black rappers can't use these words anymore. Getting back to Emily and Charley... Ok I've said before in another topic that Emily should have stayed and it wasn't just her fault... and I still think that, and yes Charley and some of the other girls have been singing RnB songs and that word has come up. I do think Emily was a little stupid for saying it but she should have just got a warning... and for Charley making it into an even bigger thing didn't help and to go and say "Oh I'm defo going to be in the papers for this guys" it doesn't help at all and she needs to get over herself... she isn't special in the slightest... she's so braindead!... and I think Shabnam shouldn't have gone on like she did. Emily did not say it in a malicious or hurtful way at all unlike Jade Goody in CBB5 when she really did mean it! and Charley shouldn't have been so hurt by it because she was only using the word like black rappers do. I think Big Brother didn't deal with this issue very well... I think they only removed her so they looked good for what happened in the last Celebrity Series... I think they should have given her a warning and I also think they should have given Charley a warning for saying it as well... I think the fact that Emily got removed for saying it and Charley didn't was very racist towards white people. And I know that some black people think it's ok to use the word but they shouldn't even be allowed to use it!... If I have repeated myself or gone on too much I'm sorry lol!

[easypeasy]

hey im not an emily fan, couldnt bloody stand the spoilt little rich girl trying to be street routine, but credit where its due, mistakes are easy to make when nudged in the wrong direction.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by sunlight

you were singing to a song that was playing emily wasn't she said to charley push it out you n**** there was no music and she wasn't singing. don't put that as the same as your situation. and how many black friends do you think emily's got?

definately less than a fortnight ago lol

[InTheFade]

Okay, I don't know many racially offensive words that a white person could be called (probably really shameful) but I know that 'honky' is a racist term against white people, I just wondered, if you're white, would you be offended if someone called you that?

[sunlight]

Originally posted by Big_Brother_Nutter
I agree with the people that are saying that black people are just as much to blame as white people and from what I have read in this topic I feel that the black people are kind of going on at the white people too much. Ok so you have been called the N word in the past and been bullied for it but if black rappers didn't use this word all the time in their music then this generation of people wouldn't use these words! so I guess to stamp this out completely we need to make sure that black rappers can't use these words anymore. Getting back to Emily and Charley... Ok I've said before in another topic that Emily should have stayed and it wasn't just her fault... and I still think that, and yes Charley and some of the other girls have been singing RnB songs and that word has come up. I do think Emily was a little stupid for saying it but she should have just got a warning... and for Charley making it into an even bigger thing didn't help and to go and say "Oh I'm defo going to be in the papers for this guys" it doesn't help at all and she needs to get over herself... she isn't special in the slightest... she's so braindead!... and I think Shabnam shouldn't have gone on like she did. Emily did not say it in a malicious or hurtful way at all unlike Jade Goody in CBB5 when she really did mean it! and Charley shouldn't have been so hurt by it because she was only using the word like black rappers do. I think Big Brother didn't deal with this issue very well... I think they only removed her so they looked good for what happened in the last Celebrity Series... I think they should have given her a warning and I also think they should have given Charley a warning for saying it as well... I think the fact that Emily got removed for saying it and Charley didn't was very racist towards white people. And I know that some black people think it's ok to use the word but they shouldn't even be allowed to use it!... If I have repeated myself or gone on too much I'm sorry lol!

who said black people think it's alright to use the word. iam black and asian and noone i mix with uses that word. we are all different you know. i wish people wouldn't make race the be all and end all of a person. rappers don't rep for just like the kkk don't rep for you.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Okay, I don't know many racially offensive words that a white person could be called (probably really shameful) but I know that 'honky' is a racist term against white people, I just wondered, if you're white, would you be offended if someone called you that?

honky is ok, whitey is ok, cracker would offend as its short for "whip cracker".....

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Okay, I don't know many racially offensive words that a white person could be called (probably really shameful) but I know that 'honky' is a racist term against white people, I just wondered, if you're white, would you be offended if someone called you that?

It depeands on the situation, who is saying it, and in what context it was said.

I used to go out clubbing every weekend with some friends in Manchester who were originally from Zambia in Africa. They got called "*****", "indians" (just shows you peoples ignorance) and "blacks" sometimes, from people who had had a bit much to drink. I would just turn around and say something like "what about it white honky"? They never knew how to comeback on that one not 1 single time (being white myself). If my friends had said that, the situation would have been very different!

I was not being racist as it was said to a person who was the same race as me. If one of my friends would have said it, then it would have been racist. So, as it has been pointed out before, you can't be racist against your own ethnicity (hence why some black people are ok with calling each other *******).

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Okay, I don't know many racially offensive words that a white person could be called (probably really shameful) but I know that 'honky' is a racist term against white people, I just wondered, if you're white, would you be offended if someone called you that?

Yes. It's exactly the same as if you were a black person, and had been called a 'n****r' by a white person. Based on both cases being offensive.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

It depeands on the situation, who is saying it, and in what context it was said.

I used to go out clubbing every weekend with some friends in Manchester who were originally from Zambia in Africa. They got called "*****", "indians" (just shows you peoples ignorance) and "blacks" sometimes, from people who had had a bit much to drink. I would just turn around and say something like "what about it white honky"? They never knew how to comeback on that one not 1 single time (being white myself). If my friends had said that, the situation would have been very different!

I was not being racist as it was against my own kind. If they would have said it, then it would have been racist. So as it has been pointed out before, you can't be racist against your own ethnicity (hence why some black people are ok with calling each other *******).

Saying that though, there are a lot of black and Asian celebrities who seem to go out of their way to make their skin look as white as it can, not that I think they're being racist against their own ethnicity but why do they do it?

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Originally posted by sunlight

who said black people think it's alright to use the word. iam black and asian and noone i mix with uses that word. we are all different you know. i wish people wouldn't make race the be all and end all of a person. rappers don't rep for just like the kkk don't rep for you.

well they obviously do that's why the word is used in RnB music!