[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He actually said go away and then report back - quite a different sentiment

but then the media trolled y'all with the first part of the tweet for financial gain (it worked)


Its the MSM that everyone should be angry with for false reporting tbh

Yes,those were his actual words, but the media twisted it as per

[Livia]

No anti-Semitism here... Some anti-Semitism in the Labour party, but only a little tiny bit....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

No anti-Semitism here... Some anti-Semitism in the Labour party, but only a little tiny bit....

You've made several posts that pretty much said that people who support labour are anti-semitic in other topics. You've made suggestive comments of the same nature to other people for disagreeing with you.

You use anti-semitism as a weapon to try to silence view points you dislike.

[Livia]

The Anti-Semitic BDS Movement Advocates Illegal Discrimination
By David French

July 18, 2019 3:59 PM


Yesterday, in a rather stunning feat of what looks like malicious trolling, Representative Ilhan Omar co-sponsored a resolution designed to support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against the state of Israel. The resolution itself is clever. It doesn’t mention Israel, and is crafted as an ode to free speech. Its key operative provision merely “affirms that all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.”

Well, yes. Free expression is free expression. Individual anti-Semites have just as much a constitutional right to boycott Israeli products as individual racists have a constitutional right to refuse to patronize black-owned businesses. The fact that the Constitution protects such conduct doesn’t render it any less repugnant, and lest you doubt the underlying intention of Omar’s actions, she made it very clear in an interview with Al-Monitor that the resolution was an “opportunity for us to explain why it is we support a nonviolent movement, which is the BDS movement.”

Supporters of BDS, however, must reckon with some inconvenient facts and some rather important laws: The movement’s anti-Semitism often leads it to advocate violations of the law.

Before I came to National Review, I served as a senior counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, and we intervened directly to inform BDS-supporting institutions of both the movement’s anti-Semitic roots and its unlawful conduct toward Israeli students and academics.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...iscrimination/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Anti-Semitic BDS Movement Advocates Illegal Discrimination
By David French

July 18, 2019 3:59 PM


Yesterday, in a rather stunning feat of what looks like malicious trolling, Representative Ilhan Omar co-sponsored a resolution designed to support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against the state of Israel. The resolution itself is clever. It doesn’t mention Israel, and is crafted as an ode to free speech. Its key operative provision merely “affirms that all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.”

Well, yes. Free expression is free expression. Individual anti-Semites have just as much a constitutional right to boycott Israeli products as individual racists have a constitutional right to refuse to patronize black-owned businesses. The fact that the Constitution protects such conduct doesn’t render it any less repugnant, and lest you doubt the underlying intention of Omar’s actions, she made it very clear in an interview with Al-Monitor that the resolution was an “opportunity for us to explain why it is we support a nonviolent movement, which is the BDS movement.”

Supporters of BDS, however, must reckon with some inconvenient facts and some rather important laws: The movement’s anti-Semitism often leads it to advocate violations of the law.

Before I came to National Review, I served as a senior counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, and we intervened directly to inform BDS-supporting institutions of both the movement’s anti-Semitic roots and its unlawful conduct toward Israeli students and academics.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...iscrimination/

That writer puts far too much of their own opinion in to consider this a valid article and it seems mostly to be an exercise in tarring people with the same brush.

[user104658]

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

So that the state of Israel can steal more land without worrying about the public opinion? Just a thought.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

Exactly, I think we're just heading in a direction in which you can't criticise Israel because the Right are pushing this narrative that to criticise them is anti-semitic. It feels like they are weaponsing anti-semitism because they don't like that, in today's world, they will be called out for racism and such. It's like 'Well if you're gonna call us out on our racism, I'm gonna say you hate Jews!'.

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is a long and complicated one in which neither side comes out smelling like roses but it's important that we see the forest for the trees and not paint out one side to be the heroes and the other villains of this story. Israel have done terrible things during this conflict, they have abused human rights and they have targeted civilians and their actions must be acknowledged for what they are and criticising those actions will never be anti-semitic. There is always a lot made out about Palestine with the focus being on things such as Hamas but it's important that we all acknowledge the wrongs on both sides.

[user104658]

Even the article right there has a glaring false equivalency - equating boycotting Israeli products to boycotting local black-owned businesses. . The equivalent would be boycotting local Jewish-owned businesses? If anyone is suggesting doing that then yes, obviously, that's antisemitic.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah i think it’s saying that supporting the BDS movement is antisemitic because the movement has antisemitic roots,not because boycotting Israeli goods in itself is antisemitic.
Though why it brings black owned shops into it is confusing.Israel is a country not a race.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah i think it’s saying that supporting the BDS movement is antisemitic because the movement has antisemitic roots,not because boycotting Israeli goods in itself is antisemitic.
Though why it brings black owned shops into it is confusing.Israel is a country not a race.

Jews consider themselves a separate race.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jews consider themselves a separate race.

Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

I said Jews consider themselves to be. Jews have thought themselves a race for thousands of years.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I said Jews consider themselves to be. Jews have thought themselves a race for thousands of years.

But it was in response to NM saying that Israel is not a race... Not that Jews are not a race.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

All right TS, take a breath.

No, I understand Israel is not a race.

I was merely saying that Jews, even though there are white Jews, black Jews, all shades of Jew, we still consider ourselves a race. That's all...

Israel is open to criticism and it should be open to it, just like every other country in the world. But it depends how you criticise it and what for, just like every other country.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jews consider themselves a separate race.

I know that Jews are a race and that boycotting shops because the owner is Jewish would definitely be antisemitic.
Boycotting goods from a country only because of their policies is’nt the same thing though.
Whether these BDS people are antisemitic and using Israeli policy as a cover I don’t know as I don’t know enough about them.

[bots]

I think many have become complacent. They have taken democracy for granted for too long, they have taken anti discrimination progress for granted for too long. These things need constant attention to ensure they are maintained. When things slip, activists gain a voice, it's up to the majority to take a stand and make sure standards are upheld.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When things slip, activists gain a voice, it's up to the majority to take a stand and make sure standards are upheld.

I do wonder how many of the Foursome will still have their seats after the next election cycle.

[arista]

Many are saying
Trump is keeping these 4 women in the news
as they represent the Hard Left
that no one would elect that in USA.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Many are saying
Trump is keeping these 4 women in the news
as they represent the Hard Left
that no one would elect that in USA.

To be fair they're running Republican campaigns rather effectively

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Inspired

[arista]

A German Magazine

[Ammi]

Donald Trump has retweeted videos posted by Katie Hopkins supporting his recent attacks on four US congresswomen.

The president shared two messages featuring Hopkins defending his leadership.

Hopkins also took aim at Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow Democrat Congresswomen, known as “the squad”.

Hopkins’ original tweet read: “How I wish we had such leadership in the UK.

“Don’t like this country? Don’t like what it gives you? Then leave.”

“Trump does not give offence. #TheSquad choose to take it. #TheSquad need to make better decisions.”


Minutes later, the firebrand president shared a second post from Hopkins, again weighing in on London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

Hopkins’ Tweet read: “The Met Police. Officers says they have lost control of London streets.

“Apparently they lost control of their twitter account too."

But Mr Trump commented: “With the incompetent Mayor of London, you will never have safe streets!

The President previously told Democrats Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib to “go back” to their home countries - even though all are citizens and three were born in the US.

Despite the Democratic-led House of Representatives voting to condemn Trump's "racist comments”, the President doubled down and continued his attack.


It comes after the Metropolitan Police's Twitter account was targeted by hackers who posted multiple bizarre and unauthorised messages.

Late on Friday night, a number of posts were sent from the force's Twitter account, which has more than 1.22 million followers, calling for the release of drill rap artist Digga D.

[Ammi]

...the Donald needs to look at his own streets instead of spending so much time tweeting about other countries.../...imagine all of that tweeting time spent, if he actually attempted to do something presidential...hmmmmm, no actually...he still couldn’t manage presidential behaviour no matter how much extra time...