[Cherie]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Looking like an awful tragedy ~ no evidence of rape . I do wonder where her clothes are ?

Regarding having searched there before , the poor girl could have been wandering round in circles .

Its a very sad end but the family must feel relieved she didn't have a violent end to her life .

she probably was wearing a nighty and she could have taken it off to get in the water and it got swept away maybe, its probably one of the worst cases I have ever heard because it looks like she could only have been in a small area and the original search missed her, the jungle is so dense though and if she was asleep when they went through I guess it could happen, it will take some mental strength for the family to get over this.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

she probably was wearing a nighty and she could have taken it off to get in the water and it got swept away maybe, its probably one of the worst cases I have ever heard because it looks like she could only have been in a small area and the original search missed her, the jungle is so dense though and if she was asleep when they went through I guess it could happen, it will take some mental strength for the family to get over this.

That sounds quite feasible Cherie,bless her .

[arista]

[Nora Quoirin died from prolonged hunger and stress,
police confirm
Nora's body was found near a
jungle stream 10 days after she went missing
from the resort where she was staying with family.]

https://news.sky.com/story/nora-quoi...nfirm-11785610

[thesheriff443]

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

great idea, though not sure it would have worked in this case as she was in bed, and the parents never in their wildest dreams thought she would go off on her own

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

This is something I debate in my head a lot, in terms of morality, as the parent of a child with learning disabilities. I know there are tech companies currently developing under-the-skin GPS implants that have a battery life of years before needing replaced. On the one hand, I think there are some big moral questions around "chipping" a human being. On the other, I know my daughter is very vulnerable and is likely to go on to be a vulnerable teen and adult. On balance, for her safety I can't rule it out as something that I'd consider.

I would definitely give her a pocket GPS though.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

great idea, though not sure it would have worked in this case as she was in bed, and the parents never in their wildest dreams thought she would go off on her own

True, but how many parents would never of dreamed that their child would kill them selves.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is something I debate in my head a lot, in terms of morality, as the parent of a child with learning disabilities. I know there are tech companies currently developing under-the-skin GPS implants that have a battery life of years before needing replaced. On the one hand, I think there are some big moral questions around "chipping" a human being. On the other, I know my daughter is very vulnerable and is likely to go on to be a vulnerable teen and adult. On balance, for her safety I can't rule it out as something that I'd consider.

I would definitely give her a pocket GPS though.

I think gps has a place in this ever changing world.
Not much difference to wearing a medical alert bracelet or necklace.

[Kizzy]

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

Some elderly people wear a button they they can press if they get into difficulties.

If it’s a another way of keeping loved ones safe then it’s up to those who are responsible for those with vulnerable people to use it.

Smart phones can be left behind or lost.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

I would never advocate it under normal circumstances but, not to be blunt, unless you have a child with significant non-physical disabilities it's unlikely that you'll be able to understand why it's so different, or just how many extra considerations there are.

[Cal.]

Terrible tragedy

The fact she was probably roaming the jungle for days in such close proximity to people searching for her <\3

I wouldn’t oppose being chipped tbh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Terrible tragedy

The fact she was probably roaming the jungle for days in such close proximity to people searching for her <\3

I wouldn’t oppose being chipped tbh.

Can you imagine how scarey that would be, I hope she didn't suffer too much,poor girl. I think some sort of tracking would be ok too.

[smudgie]

If the child or persons safety is at stake then I would be in favour of chipping.
Having had a mil with dementia who loved to go walkabout at all hours through the night it would have come in handy.
Our biggest fear was that she would walk off the end of the pier.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some elderly people wear a button they they can press if they get into difficulties.

If it’s a another way of keeping loved ones safe then it’s up to those who are responsible for those with vulnerable people to use it.

Smart phones can be left behind or lost.

yes my nan of dad's side has one of those for a few years now, after she fell and lay on the ground for quite some hours before help finally arrived, and now she has that button and when she presses that help arrives a lot faster

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I would never advocate it under normal circumstances but, not to be blunt, unless you have a child with significant non-physical disabilities it's unlikely that you'll be able to understand why it's so different, or just how many extra considerations there are.

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?
That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?

That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.

This is not something I'm willing to bicker with you about, it's far too close to home. You're entitled to your opinion but it's not something that I'm going to be entering into a back and forth over so I'll leave the thread.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?
That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.

Considering you said most have smart phones I don’t think you understand the meaning of a vulnerable child or adult.

Some have no road sense and would just walk out into the road let alone working a smart phone.

If the girl in question was not abducted it means she walking into the jungle wearing only underwear. So hence a smart phone would be no use.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Considering you said most have smart phones I don’t think you understand the meaning of a vulnerable child or adult.

Some have no road sense and would just walk out into the road let alone working a smart phone.

If the girl in question was not abducted it means she walking into the jungle wearing only underwear. So hence a smart phone would be no use.

Most people have mobiles. . That's all I was commenting on.
I still don't feel chipping vulnerable people is an answer.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Most people have mobiles. . That's all I was commenting on.
I still don't feel chipping vulnerable people is an answer.

If the girl in this thread had a chip she would have located dead or alive within a matter of hours..

If something can give those that need it a better chance in life it should be considered.

[LaLaLand]

This is so awful. That poor, poor girl. RIP sweetheart.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If the girl in this thread had a chip she would have located dead or alive within a matter of hours..

If something can give those that need it a better chance in life it should be considered.

Think about it... There's millions of vulnerable people, it's just not feasible, workable or ethical

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

People with dementia wear gps wrist trackers when in hospital. It's far too easy for them to go unnoticed and walk off of the wards otherwise, as someone that's been through the worry of my father being in that situation a few times I think the trackers in that case are a brilliant addition and would also be a huge help for families that have vulnerable children.

Chips under the skin though is too far imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

People with dementia wear gps wrist trackers when in hospital. It's far too easy for them to go unnoticed and walk off of the wards otherwise, as someone that's been through the worry of my father being in that situation a few times I think the trackers in that case are a brilliant addition and would also be a huge help for families that have vulnerable children.

Chips under the skin though is too far imo.

Thats a great idea I'm all for that and those trackers could be fashioned into a peice of jewellery for teens. I'm sure I remember a few years ago backpacks coming out for kids with trackers in...

[Ammi]

..Microchipping of humans would only work over short distances...I’m just reading up on it and it’s not something atm that would be developed enough to be able to consider in this context...there would also be factors like the terrain...it was very dense forest..and that would have meant the effectiveness of the chip would have been very limited, if effective at all...also that she was over 1 mile away from the resort...it is something to be given thought to though for families in care of vulnerable adults...thoughts of her being alive for around a week and dying of prolonged starvation and stress......unbearable thought...