[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

comparing countries as if they have the same populations, distributions, care of elderly, health care, travel hubs etc etc

is about as useless as knitting fog

please stay away from facebook and twitter as it is exposing people on a daily basis and in hideous ways

We were well aware of the possibilities of a pandemic, the findings of an excersise were fresh in the mind.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc...r-coronavirus/

[bots]

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do

He is letting his Team of doctors & advisers direct it

[arista]

Selling well
in USA

[MTVN]

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then

Yes he was Bang on Right

[Josy]

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.

When it all got serious the political parties all agreed to work together and put ‘political point scoring’ on hold .. but now the new Labour leader has to make an impression he’s said he won’t hesitate to criticise any decisions and that useless shadow health minister yesterday was happy to criticise most of the decisions taken so far ..

Predictable but sooo disappointing


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[bots]

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.

We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.

The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one

The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.



We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.



The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one



The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term

Wise words indeed


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[James]

I just think it is a force of nature at this point, and governments are having to play it by ear to some degree.

[Nicky91]

my mom is against our dutch government, our RIVM

honestly i'm not complaining against their actions, people first disobeyed advice to stay home here, but now majority of people here stay home


Germany has reopened certain stores again, whilst also still giving necessary advice to stay home, they even go to live broadcasting a ''easter at home special, things to do at home around easter time'' quite a few germans who usually come to Netherlands here they decide to stay home and listen to advice


our local radio Omroep Brabant plays loads of cheerful, bit party music to spread more positivity among people here, since many music festivals have been cancelled here too

one mayor of a town schijndel who was disappointed in cancelling easterpop music festival, he did request the radio to host a sort of top 40 line up of rock/alternative rock songs what usually is played at easterpop, he also had a cake being delivered at omroep brabant studio, just for their efforts during this crisis so far

[Smithy]

UK deaths: ~26,000
Italy deaths ~27,000

Thoughts on this @ everyone on the first page

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

UK deaths: ~26,000
Italy deaths ~27,000

Thoughts on this @ everyone on the first page

Yes UK Deaths now adding on Care Homes and Home Deaths


Meanwhile Italy is so below USA
60,475

[Denver]

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

Neither have we yet.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Neither have we yet.

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

It's hard to judge because Italy have a huge Elder population and their care homes and people in the community would be at high risk

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

That’s not the total care home deaths though is it

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Neither have we yet.

Yes we have

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes we have

Ive clarified this...move along dear.

[Beso]

Imo this sad statistic merely shows that the UK has taken greater care of its elderly population before cobid 19 than the comparative countries.

[arista]

USA :63,019
Italy: 27,967
UK : 27,510

[Denver]

Italy will be a lot more with community and care home deaths