[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Lives wouldnt have been saved either way its 50/50 if you catch it so there is no point saying labour would have stopped people dying when its impossible to stop people dying with a vaccine, the thing that is saving most people is how their immune system deals with it and of course the doctors are trying to help them but its not really something that can be stopped right now

ok... who's said Labour would have stopped people dying...and what vaccine?

[Denver]

Also ive seen many a people who claim Tories have ****ed up to then go and break lockdown rules so that makes their opinion immediately invalid

[Withano]

Can anybody who voted ‘good or excellent’ point out anything specifically good or excellent that they have done?

I feel like all those votes have just come alongside of angrily shouting that lefties don’t understand, instead of actual logical thinking so far

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can anybody who voted ‘good or excellent’ point out anything specifically good or excellent that they have done?

I feel like all those votes have just come alongside of angrily shouting that lefties don’t understand, instead of actual logical thinking so far

Im guessing you will be benefiting from the furlough scheme

[Withano]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Im guessing you will be benefiting from the furlough scheme

I’m a key worker, but I dont see the relevance they have ****ed over the self-employed, Business owners, the unemployed, and those that work on commission. Barely qualifies for ‘good’ even ignoring about all the other factors

[Brother Leon]

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

Yes watch Live 5PM
Johnson PM
I do hope the Press push him hard

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes watch Live 5PM

Johnson PM

I do hope the Press push him hard

Why ??

Two weeks or so out of intensive care .. he should he recuperating at home .. especially being a new father ..

They had a female triathlon on the LBCa few days ago and she was in a similar state as Boris and she said it took her 6 WEEKS to get back to feeling ok again


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[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

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Let’s not forget that before lockdown they purposely downgraded the virus so that they wouldn’t have to adhere to the stricter ppe measures that would have been in place.

The simple fact that flights from infected countries are still allowed to come in should be pissing more people off than it is, but then again #BackBoris

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

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Let’s not forget that before lockdown they purposely downgraded the virus so that they wouldn’t have to adhere to the stricter ppe measures that would have been in place.

The simple fact that flights from infected countries are still allowed to come in should be pissing more people off than it is, but then again #BackBoris

The Scientists downgraded it and Boris acted on what he was told so that blame lays with scientists not the government

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

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The simple fact that flights from infected countries are still allowed to come in should be pissing more people off than it is, but then again #BackBoris

Only if you're living in early March? I don't know why people haven't realised that having a few thousand people fly in from other infected countries, of whom maybe a few dozen might be infected, makes absolutely no difference in the UK where there are likely already millions of infections. Like literally zero difference. People are complaining about flights coming in from "infected places" like we aren't one of the infected places! The passengers are statistically less likely to have the virus than your next door neighbour.

People have taken guidance from months ago when we had few cases and were still trying to track n trace and are applying it to a country that is in the middle of an active pandemic.

Tl;Dr... For now, it doesn't matter if a few plane passengers are carrying Covid.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Only if you're living in early March? I don't know why people haven't realised that having a few thousand people fly in from other infected countries, of whom maybe a few dozen might be infected, makes absolutely no difference in the UK where there are likely already millions of infections. Like literally zero difference. People are complaining about flights coming in from "infected places" like we aren't one of the infected places! The passengers are statistically less likely to have the virus than your next door neighbour.

People have taken guidance from months ago when we had few cases and were still trying to track n trace and are applying it to a country that is in the middle of an active pandemic.

Tl;Dr... For now, it doesn't matter if a few plane passengers are carrying Covid.

A few dozen on a plane could infect the whole plane, so that is full planes arriving unaware they are infected. I still say that regardless of the current infection rate for their own safety and that of the vulnerable they might come into contact with isolation for 7 days is beneficial.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A few dozen on a plane could infect the whole plane, so that is full planes arriving unaware they are infected. I still say that regardless of the current infection rate for their own safety and that of the vulnerable they might come into contact with isolation for 7 days is beneficial.

I still think this thinking is based on the idea that someone coming in on a plane is more likely to be a carrier than the average Brit... Which just isn't true at this point. If anything we should ban OUTGOING flights to protect others from US.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

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Let’s not forget that before lockdown they purposely downgraded the virus so that they wouldn’t have to adhere to the stricter ppe measures that would have been in place.

The simple fact that flights from infected countries are still allowed to come in should be pissing more people off than it is, but then again #BackBoris

To be fair if they are British citizens we have a duty to repatriate them. Anyone who has come back from anywhere should have been quarantined though. They brought my nephew back from tenerife about 4 weeks ago, I was shocked he went straight back to work!

[Denver]

South Korea had the labs and the face mask culture before that helped we dont have testing labs in the dozens that we can use

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

South Korea had the labs and the face mask culture before that helped we dont have testing labs in the dozens that we can use

So, South Korea's government were more prepared for an outbreak then our own government? Thank you, I agree that our government was woefully underprepared.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So, South Korea's government were more prepared for an outbreak then our own government? Thank you, I agree that our government was woefully underprepared.

Do you know why South Korea was prepared? because of SARS which didnt effect us but hugley effected them

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Do you know why South Korea was prepared? because of SARS which didnt effect us but hugley effected them

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

Is that really an excuse? Seems like incompetence to me. Perhaps you should put down your allegiances for a second and just see the situation for what it is, not re-interpreting it to cast Boris as the hero.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

Is that really an excuse? Seems like incompetence to me. Perhaps you should put down your allegiances for a second and just see the situation for what it is, not re-interpreting it to cast Boris as the hero.

\You tell me one disease this century that has hit the UK like this?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

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See I don't disagree with this, but then it's not a Tory thing. It is a small-t tory thing, in the sense that its a neoliberal capitalist thing, where since Thatcher pretty much everything has been overlooked in favour of City of London and economic gain so government has been far too distracted to think about "stuff like this", but that applied to Blair-Brown Labour tories just as much as Tory tories.

It's also way beyond the scope of just the UK.

So is there blame? Yes there's an absolute tonne of historic blame, there are no real excuses for governments, politics and economies having gone this way but that was the case long before Covid. No excuse for corporatism, political cronyism, all of it.

However if you just accept that as "what is", because really what else can you do, it comes down to assessing the government on what's happened since late January. Have they done a stellar job, best in the world? No there are plenty of crap moves and errors. Could they be worse? You only have to glance across the Atlantic to say "ohhh yes, apparently so". They could have done nothing at all and let it swamp the NHS, that hadn't happened. They could have turtled up to protect the economy at all costs, that hasn't happened.

Thus the only option for how they've handled this is "OK". It's not good. It could clearly be worse. We hope lessons will have been learned, but we know they probably won't have been.

[Denver]

Didnt WHO keep changing their minds about how bad it was and leading governments on with their false facts and protection of China

[user104658]

There is emerging, albeit anecdotal, data from SK that suggests their success is partly down to some fairly draconian and punitive practices and harsh authoritarian control measures so - as with all of the other lauding of countries with strict controls and aggressive policing - let's please just not. When all is said and done, you would rather have Covid than a fear-state with a declining economy. Really.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There is emerging, albeit anecdotal, data from SK that suggests their success is partly down to some fairly draconian and punitive practices and harsh authoritarian control measures so - as with all of the other lauding of countries with strict controls and aggressive policing - let's please just not. When all is said and done, you would rather have Covid than a fear-state with a declining economy. Really.

The people complaining would cry like a baby if they were in Korea and China where you would be arrested or even shot for leaving the house

[Cherie]

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

So modest.