[Withano]

Can anybody who voted ‘good or excellent’ point out anything specifically good or excellent that they have done?

I feel like all those votes have just come alongside of angrily shouting that lefties don’t understand, instead of actual logical thinking so far

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where is 45k coming from, and how on earth do you use an unofficial/assumptive inflated figure (even if it's accurate) to make a percentage comparison to a global figure that's based on official reported figures. Just really dumb stuff, sorry.

No need to apologise to me, I find a lot of the stuff you've posted on the subject has been really dumb stuff too, going back to your pro herd immunity stance at the start to the whining about even having a thread for it. It's all good, soldier.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can anybody who voted ‘good or excellent’ point out anything specifically good or excellent that they have done?

I feel like all those votes have just come alongside of angrily shouting that lefties don’t understand, instead of actual logical thinking so far

Im guessing you will be benefiting from the furlough scheme

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Lives wouldnt have been saved either way its 50/50 if you catch it so there is no point saying labour would have stopped people dying when its impossible to stop people dying with a vaccine, the thing that is saving most people is how their immune system deals with it and of course the doctors are trying to help them but its not really something that can be stopped right now

Adam, sweetie, you really need to hear this and hold it deep in your heart. Labour is not in power, they haven't been in power for ten years. You can't just keep trying to shield the government by pointing the finger at a party who will likely never get back into power. Deal with reality, the Tories have been in charge for the past 10 years, when will you start holding the government accountable?

You only have to look at countries like South Korea (which really recovered well from basically being hit with it right out of the gate) and New Zealand to see examples of how good government actions can help ease the crisis. Our government did the bare minimum and was fully prepared to let Corona cull the 'weak'. No amount of handwringing or whataboutism is going to change that.

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Also ive seen many a people who claim Tories have ****ed up to then go and break lockdown rules so that makes their opinion immediately invalid

Yes, thank you for that dismissive highly suspicious anecdotal evidence, much appreciated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The poll is pointless on a heavily Left leaning forum quite out of step with the rest of the country.

Just over a third of those who have responded have said the govt are doing ok or better, for a 'heavily left leaning' forum that's not bad.. how is this out of step with the GP as a whole?
What percentage would you say would bring that in line with the rest of the country?


Oh... look here.

'Two thirds of people think government imposed lockdown too late, poll suggests

The number of people who believe the government did not act quickly enough in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak is increasing, according to a poll.

Two thirds of adults think ministers brought in strict measures to deal with the emergency too late, a rise from 57% two weeks ago,*the*Ipsos Mori*survey (pdf)*found.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0882b206dcff8f

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Adam, sweetie, you really need to hear this and hold it deep in your heart. Labour is not in power, they haven't been in power for ten years. You can't just keep trying to shield the government by pointing the finger at a party who will likely never get back into power. Deal with reality, the Tories have been in charge for the past 10 years, when will you start holding the government accountable?

You only have to look at countries like South Korea (which really recovered well from basically being hit with it right out of the gate) and New Zealand to see examples of how good government actions can help ease the crisis. Our government did the bare minimum and was fully prepared to let Corona cull the 'weak'. No amount of handwringing or whataboutism is going to change that.




Yes, thank you for that dismissive highly suspicious anecdotal evidence, much appreciated.

Because they are 2 countries that are the exact same size of the UK to compare to.

[Brother Leon]

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They've done a terrible job and if it wasn't for Rishi Sunak, we'd have been in a much worse position.

Boris was inattentive and didn't care, he skipped a lot of meetings about Corona and he's probably relieved as **** that he got it because now he gets sympathy when really, he should be getting criticised all over the place for his handling of the crisis.

If you want to see an example of a good response to this crisis, look no further than New Zealand. Jacinda Ardern is a prime example of what leaders should be doing.

Weren’t New Zealand one of the last to get it though and learnt from everyone else’s mistakes plus they’re miles out on a limb and not crammed to the hilt like us ..

I bet they have stricter border control than we do .. their land mass looks similar to ours yet they have around half the number of people in London


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[Withano]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Im guessing you will be benefiting from the furlough scheme

I’m a key worker, but I dont see the relevance they have ****ed over the self-employed, Business owners, the unemployed, and those that work on commission. Barely qualifies for ‘good’ even ignoring about all the other factors

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Lives wouldnt have been saved either way its 50/50 if you catch it so there is no point saying labour would have stopped people dying when its impossible to stop people dying with a vaccine, the thing that is saving most people is how their immune system deals with it and of course the doctors are trying to help them but its not really something that can be stopped right now

ok... who's said Labour would have stopped people dying...and what vaccine?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No need to apologise to me, I find a lot of the stuff you've posted on the subject has been really dumb stuff too, going back to your pro herd immunity stance at the start to the whining about even having a thread for it. It's all good, soldier.

No need to be petty, but for the sake of accuracy, I was never "Pro" herd immunity as a strategy I just think it's ultimately an inevitability after careful management of the initial surge. I think people's total reliance on waiting for an effective vaccine or treatment that may never materialise is a bit naive. I still think that but we'll see I guess? The only dumb part of the conversation I remember is when you claimed that herd immunity without vaccination "doesn't exist" .

I also didn't whine about there being a thread for it, I whined about 2S's relentless swamping of the thread with posts every 10 minutes and called it unhealthy (he later ended up leaving, stating that he wasn't coping. Shocker.) and I whined about Arista's daily death league table which is still as morbid and functionally useless as it ever was. In fact, far from moaning about there being a thread, I believe I asked for those league table posts to be split off into a separate thread so that this one would actually be useful.

Feel free to take your fear and frustration out on me though Slim, I can take it for a while. Stoic champ.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Because they are 2 countries that are the exact same size of the UK to compare to.

New Zealand as a land mass is comparable to ours, they are less populated but South Korea has a comparable population to ours. Both took decisive action early on and both have done well to combat the problem.

What is your next excuse for not criticising the government?

[Denver]

South Korea had the labs and the face mask culture before that helped we dont have testing labs in the dozens that we can use

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Weren’t New Zealand one of the last to get it though and learnt from everyone else’s mistakes plus they’re miles out on a limb and not crammed to the hilt like us ..

I bet they have stricter border control than we do .. their land mass looks similar to ours yet they have around half the number of people in London


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The governments of the world knew how bad it would be long before it got as bad as it did. The UKand the US in particular knew but did nothing. You can't really say that the governments were caught unaware when they had advanced warnings in January and February.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

South Korea had the labs and the face mask culture before that helped we dont have testing labs in the dozens that we can use

So, South Korea's government were more prepared for an outbreak then our own government? Thank you, I agree that our government was woefully underprepared.

[Denver]

Didnt WHO keep changing their minds about how bad it was and leading governments on with their false facts and protection of China

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So, South Korea's government were more prepared for an outbreak then our own government? Thank you, I agree that our government was woefully underprepared.

Do you know why South Korea was prepared? because of SARS which didnt effect us but hugley effected them

[user104658]

There is emerging, albeit anecdotal, data from SK that suggests their success is partly down to some fairly draconian and punitive practices and harsh authoritarian control measures so - as with all of the other lauding of countries with strict controls and aggressive policing - let's please just not. When all is said and done, you would rather have Covid than a fear-state with a declining economy. Really.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No need to be petty, but for the sake of accuracy, I was never "Pro" herd immunity as a strategy I just think it's ultimately an inevitability after careful management of the initial surge. I think people's total reliance on waiting for an effective vaccine or treatment that may never materialise is a bit naive. I still think that but we'll see I guess? The only dumb part of the conversation I remember is when you claimed that herd immunity without vaccination "doesn't exist" .

I also didn't whine about there being a thread for it, I whined about 2S's relentless swamping of the thread with posts every 10 minutes and called it unhealthy (he later ended up leaving, stating that he wasn't coping. Shocker.) and I whined about Arista's daily death league table which is still as morbid and functionally useless as it ever was.

Feel free to take your fear and frustration out on me though Slim, I can take it for a while. Stoic champ.

Keep those shoulders broad and strong, young Wallace.

I wouldn't underestimate your own role in TS needing time off either.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There is emerging, albeit anecdotal, data from SK that suggests their success is partly down to some fairly draconian and punitive practices and harsh authoritarian control measures so - as with all of the other lauding of countries with strict controls and aggressive policing - let's please just not. When all is said and done, you would rather have Covid than a fear-state with a declining economy. Really.

The people complaining would cry like a baby if they were in Korea and China where you would be arrested or even shot for leaving the house

[Denver]

Didnt South Korea force most of their young males into voluntary service and lined the streets with the Army?

[Cherie]

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

So modest.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So modest.

I have my moments of modesty, the time is not now

[user104658]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The people complaining would cry like a baby if they were in Korea and China where you would be arrested or even shot for leaving the house

To be fair it is important to draw the distinction between NK (shot) and SK (a modern society) but the risk is in believing that just because SK isn't NK, it's infallible. They've (anecdotally) been using some unpalatable surveillance and control tactics and openly publishing people's confidential medical details to anyone who wants to see them.

We're at risk of "baby out with the bathwater" stuff here I think. People happily accepting unthinkable breaches of privacy and freedoms in pursuit of a "no holds barred" solution.

One that floodgate is opened you can never really close it and I genuinely sometimes wonder what sort of world we're going to wake up to once the Covid question is answered.