[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Beso]

Get him jailed, him and his far left conspiracy theorists...bunch of crackpots that need sectioned.

[Oliver_W]

Ehh, Sir Kier had little choice but to suspend Corbyn. He just had to start yapping on about the report is exaggerated etc, not long after Sir Kier had said that no-one in his party was to play it down.

[bots]

what i find amusing is the way senior labour mp's are currently squirming trying to back track on statements they made publicly in the past

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what i find amusing is the way senior labour mp's are currently squirming trying to back track on statements they made publicly in the past

Well maybe in part they said it taking the word of the leadership, as I did.

Before this inquiry.
Which was held to give the facts and truth on it.

Which is now known.
So obviously in light of facts and truth.
There will be an altering of views of statements believed at the time.

It's why I welcomed this inquiry.

Your party may do well too to have a similar inquiry as Baroness Warsi has pretty strong views of what's wrong there too.

Maybe then your Con senior MPs could end up changing their tune too.

[bots]

labour may be having a painful time now, but once the recommendations are implemented they can start pointing the finger at other parties who are obviously not innocent. They can use it to their advantage if they are smart about it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Ehh, Sir Kier had little choice but to suspend Corbyn. He just had to start yapping on about the report is exaggerated etc, not long after Sir Kier had said that no-one in his party was to play it down.

That's the only real reason he was suspended.

I welcomed this inquiry, I knew there'd be issues identified, I hoped for less but it concluded more than I myself thought.
I never accepted the Party was institutionally anti-Semitic as media and the Con supporters were portraying it to be.

This report did not find that.
It highlighted however unacceptable and wrong and unlawful discrimination.

You cannot come out and then say, the report was over- exaggerated or wrong in its findings..
As you stated, Starmer made that very point..he had accepted in full the inquiry's findings and committed himself to put in place ALL its recommendations.

It was therefore sad to see Jeremy Corbyn go against that correct acceptance of this inquiry's findings.
By trying to question and dismiss some of the findings in the report too.

It's not, and never would be a good look, to suspend a former leader.
However Jeremy left Starmer with no choice.

We'd have had the media, the Cons and all Jewish groups screaming of lip service only had he not.
Yes, there's the union voice of McCluskey on about losing elections.

What does he think happened in the last one for goodness sake!
He's another dinosaur of politics who only courts controversy.

I make still no apology for supporting Corbyn's policies.
I still think they are needed, likely more than ever after this pandemic too.
With a Country rebuilt on a fairer and more compassionate society hopefully.

I hope Starmer retains much of those policies.
That is what I will judge him on.

The moment sadly, that Jeremy set out to play down this inquiry's findings, he put Starmer into a position of doing nothing or acting to reinforce the right thing to do, in accepting the inquiry's results in full.

Starmer had to suspend once Jeremy refused to retract his comments.

It's time for this Country to get and demand, leaders and former leaders who will just accept they got some things wrong.
They'd gain far more respect in my view, and would warrant same if they did.

[arista]

Corbyn
Like Trump
never says sorry

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Corbyn
Like Trump
never says sorry

It seems few want to say sorry.
It's not a word the present PM seems to have in his vocabulary either.

However, Corbyn didn't even need to say sorry, although it would have been appropriate after the criticism in this report of the leadership's office.
All he had to say was he accepted the findings of the report .

Rather than question it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It seems few want to say sorry.
It's not a word the present PM seems to have in his vocabulary either.

However, Corbyn didn't even need to say sorry, although it would have been appropriate after the criticism in this report of the leadership's office.
All he had to say was he accepted the findings of the report .

Rather than question it.

I've heard boris say sorry many many times as he gave us the covid news.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've heard boris say sorry many many times as he gave us the covid news.

He's said sorry for what he is now setting out to do.
Not for anything he's failed to do when needed, as to the testing, the PPE equipment and the unnecessary deaths of peoples loved ones in care homes.

He dares to claim success for his covid chaos of procrastination and incompetence.

As for deaths of others loved ones, he can't even bring himself to even just now offer condolences to the bereaved.

Sorry needs to be meant as well as said.
Sorry in the true sense of the word is NOT in Johnson's vocabulary.

Then why does he need it to be, when his supporters jump in to defend him at every opportunity.
When he's not even bothered a jot about others lost loved ones possibly.

Actually this thread is about the inquiry into Labour and antisemitism.

Corbyn has said sorry a few times in relation to it, however then dismisses in part the results of the inquiry.

As I said, sorry, has to be meant to be valid, not just said.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He's said sorry for what he is now setting out to do.
Not for anything he's failed to do when needed, as to the testing, the PPE equipment and the unnecessary deaths of peoples loved ones in care homes.

He dares to claim success for his covid chaos of procrastination and incompetence.

As for deaths of others loved ones, he can't even bring himself to even just now offer condolences to the bereaved.

Sorry needs to be meant as well as said.
Sorry in the true sense of the word is NOT in Johnson's vocabulary.

Then why does he need it to be, when his supporters jump in to defend him at every opportunity.
When he's not even bothered a jot about others lost loved ones possibly.

Actually this thread is about the inquiry into Labour and antisemitism.

Corbyn has said sorry a few times in relation to it, however then dismisses in part the results of the inquiry.

As I said, sorry, has to be meant to be valid, not just said.

I don't remember boris apologising for his Islamophobia, anti semitism, homophobia and racism, either.

[Oliver_W]

Corbyn: Antisemitism is bad but...
Starmer: Antisemitism is bad.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Corbyn: Antisemitism is bad but...
Starmer: Antisemitism is bad.

This is bollocks Oliver.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is bollocks Oliver.

Well sure, maybe a bit.

But blabbing on about "all racism is bad" when the issue is antisemitism is similar to saying "All Lives Matter"

[jet]

It's about time the anti semite enabler and terrorist sympathising narcissist got his comeuppance.

[Nicky91]

Labour in the UK is one big ******* mess

[Cherie]

The mask under his nose is annoying me

[arista]

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

If people really stop supporting Labour over this, they weren't Labour voters anyway, they were Corbyn voters.

Even before the suspension he was unlikely to ever be a big player in politics again, so really ... Why does it matter?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If people really stop supporting Labour over this, they weren't Labour voters anyway, they were Corbyn voters.

Even before the suspension he was unlikely to ever be a big player in politics again, so really ... Why does it matter?

Labour has been here before, although not with the antisemitism issue.

In the main, it appears the stronger left of Labour remain in the party eventually.
Despite the trauma.
Neil Kinnock survived his reforming of the party.
The left remained in the party overall.

It's usually the more right of the party that run away and whinge on.

As you say, Jeremy was now on the backbenches and possibly even likely to stand down at the next election too anyway.

I still like the policies he put in place, they needed streamlining as there were just too many to be done too soon.
However I hope that is where Labour stands with the people who would have benefited from most of those policies Corbyn put in place.

He was misguided to just not say something like, the inquiry has been completed, its findings need to be addressed and recommendations implemented.

Adding nothing else, he would have not been suspended.
He'll get his chance to put his own case.

I don't think Starmer could have made it clearer however.
No one will be tolerated who would still try to deny the findings of the inquiry or that anti-Semitism had become a problem in Labour.

Yet Jeremy chose to even dismiss the findings in part.
That's not acceptable.

We owe a lot to Jewish MPs and members over decade after decade.
This has to be eradicated fully from the party membership.
For me, Starmer has done right..
We may lose members who aren't happy with what happened with Corbyn.

I'm not happy, no one wants a former leader suspended from the party.
By the same token, we can't have former leaders dismissing an inquiry's findings such as this inquiry has.

That is more divisive and wrong than anything Starmer has so far done and is trying to do too.

[bots]

the labour party need voters, the number of members really doesn't matter that much. If the left leaning members leave and that allows policies that make labour more electable then that is surely a good thing. That's my take anyway