[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well they need to assess their situation.

A child's safety is more important than them getting in on time.

Speak to your employer. Change your job, make it work. Each organisation should have a policy and procedure on flexible working patterns in relation to childcare and/or adaptations. It's a privilege to have a child.

The amount of children I see walking alone who look knee high to a grasshopper is ridiculous.

What a load of utter drivel, I suspect this is indeed one of the areas where people who have no experience of being a parent should perhaps listen to people with kids.

“Knee high to a grasshopper” I agree, I don’t think kids under 10 should be making their own way to or from school, but beyond that, phased independence is absolutely vital to normal childhood development. The idea that kids should be escorted to and from the school gate right up until age 15/16 and (presumably?) not allowed other independence outside of the house is completely ludicrous and unrealistic.

If you live in a particularly risky inner-city/town area then there are SOMETIMES other considerations, but really that’s the exception. There is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging teenagers to responsibly make their way to and from school, and in fact I’d argue that those who are hand-held until 16 are going to find themselves woefully ill-prepared for the world in their later teens and early adulthood.

[Glenn.]

I also love the phrase ‘proper bullying’ such an intelligent way of dismissing other types of bullying.

[Beso]

Interesting TS.

[bots]

my family get tech hand me downs from me all the time, and i'm an old fart TS (tsk tsk)

But yes, the world of tech is not an equal one at any demographic for any number of reasons and children's education should be equal opportunity as far as is possible

[Alf]

The object of School is to learn Maths, English and Science. You can't do that if you're giving all your attention to Tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook instead.

I can’t believe this rule is not already in place.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Alf

The object of School is to learn Maths, English and Science. You can't do that if you're giving all your attention to Tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook instead.

I can’t believe this rule is not already in place.

Well it already is.

All schools will have a policy on the use of mobile phones.

5 pages on this

It already happens, but children are children and will push boundaries.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When I reflect on my own classroom experience – impromptu bag searches for
lost/stolen phones that pull in three members of staff; managing the fallout of a
sext; time spent liaising with police to circumvent a fight planned over a
WhatsApp message in the PE changing rooms; students late to class finishing a
level of their game – I know phones are an unnecessary distraction that takes
teachers away from what they are ultimately there to do.

Banning phones from the classroom shouldn’t be dismissed as a political dog
whistle but as a common-sense way to help get the best outcomes for pupils.
Just as taking children out of school for a holiday during term is now widely
seen as unacceptable, other avoidable distractions from learning should be
treated the same way.

Now is the time to remove all mobiles from every school, and to put this tired
old debate behind us for good.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/no-ifs-no-...necessary-now/

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'I didn't have this technology in schools in my day, so you shouldn't either!!!'

This move is nothing more than a political dog whistle, a way to appeal to gammon while achieving absolutely nothing.

Smart people would make use of phones in education to help engage students, but the government is not run by smart people and it doesn't appeal to them either.

what a pity you did not read what the teacher said above you

"Banning phones from the classroom shouldn’t be dismissed as a political dog
whistle but as a common-sense way to help get the best outcomes for pupils."

oop

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's her opinion, it's not fact. Is it time for me to yet again to teach the guy old enough to be my dad about the difference between fact and opinion and how to distinguish between the two?

Is LT allowed to concentrate on his phone whilst you're teaching him?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Alf

Is LT allowed to concentrate on his phone whilst you're teaching him?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's her opinion, it's not fact. Is it time for me to yet again to teach the guy old enough to be my dad about the difference between fact and opinion and how to distinguish between the two?

the only person who said fact is you

do pay attention in class

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's her opinion, it's not fact. Is it time for me to yet again to teach the guy old enough to be my dad about the difference between fact and opinion and how to distinguish between the two?

It is fact, schools have computers available to every child when needed at school.

They dont need their phones to learn.

[ThomasC]

ORDERRRRR

[user104658]

In an ideal world, perhaps not, the part that’s drivel is in trying to project an ideal world onto reality; a world where parents always have understanding employers, or can just “get another job” if they don’t, or that they “shouldn’t have had kids” if it wasn’t perfectly planned to the last detail (and in a world where circumstances don’t change).

I can tell that your position comes from a theoretical place of education/training because it bears very little practical utility in most people’s real-world scenarios. “Textbook”nonsense. It’s fine to have optimal theory, trying to insist on a world where optimal theory works in practice is flawed, as anyone with practical experience knows all too well.

It reminds me a touch of childless “super”nanny Jo Frost belching a load of utter ****e on television about how to manage toddlers by sticking them in the corner.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In an ideal world, perhaps not, the part that’s drivel is in trying to project an ideal world onto reality; a world where parents always have understanding employers, or can just “get another job” if they don’t, or that they “shouldn’t have had kids” if it wasn’t perfectly planned to the last detail (and in a world where circumstances don’t change).

I can tell that your position comes from a theoretical place of education/training because it bears very little practical utility in most people’s real-world scenarios. “Textbook”nonsense. It’s fine to have optimal theory, trying to insist on a world where optimal theory works in practice is flawed, as anyone with practical experience knows all too well.

It reminds me a touch of childless “super”nanny Jo Frost belching a load of utter ****e on television about how to manage toddlers by sticking them in the corner.

RUDE!

With all due respect you don't know my background.

Text book and experience. My position comes from working practice, not just education and training. You can have both you know and I'm not a university student who has decided one day I want to work in a profession and had no experience actually doing it.

No, what Jo Frost does is teach negative and positive reinforcement which actually works very well..... although not for everyone, but that holistic working/not one size fits all etc. Maybe if more parents adopted it they wouldn't have such spoilt children.

Yes, I know it's not that easy trying to fit work around children. It never will be, but I know lots of people who do it to keep their children safe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

RUDE!

With all due respect you don't know my background.

Text book and experience. My position comes from working practice, not just education and training. You can have both you know and I'm not a university student who has decided one day I want to work in a profession and had no experience actually doing it.

No, what Jo Frost does is teach negative and positive reinforcement which actually works very well..... although not for everyone, but that holistic working/not one size fits all etc. Maybe if more parents adopted it they wouldn't have such spoilt children.

Yes, I know it's not that easy trying to fit work around children. It never will be, but I know lots of people who do it to keep their children safe.

I know you don’t have children, and thus I know your experience and thoughts on how parenting should work - much like Jo Frost’s - are based solely in theory no matter how long you’ve been doing any job. Those are just the facts and doggedly attempting to argue otherwise is quite staggeringly arrogant. Not only that but you’ve also mentioned in other threads (home improvement thread) that you live with your parents so you neither have first hand experience of raising children, nor first hand experience of the juggling act of running a family home whilst parenting, and yet you’re handing out judgement on both?

You might want to reconsider who is being “rude”.

On top of that if you think Jo Frost uses effective techniques or that children “wouldn’t be so spoiled” if more people subscribed to her brand of parenting behaviourism, not only are you simply parroting theory, you’re parroting trash.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know you don’t have children, and thus I know your experience and thoughts on how parenting should work - much like Jo Frost’s - are based solely in theory no matter how long you’ve been doing any job. Those are just the facts and doggedly attempting to argue otherwise is quite staggeringly arrogant. Not only that but you’ve also mentioned in other threads (home improvement thread) that you live with your parents so you neither have first hand experience of raising children, nor first hand experience of the juggling act of running a family home whilst parenting, and yet you’re handing out judgement on both?

You might want to reconsider who is being “rude”.

On top of that if you think Jo Frost uses effective techniques or that children “wouldn’t be so spoiled” if more people subscribed to her brand of parenting behaviourism, not only are you simply parroting theory, you’re parroting trash.

Every child is different, what works well for one might not for another, different personalities etc

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Every child is different, what works well for one might not for another, different personalities etc

Spot on.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know you don’t have children, and thus I know your experience and thoughts on how parenting should work - much like Jo Frost’s - are based solely in theory no matter how long you’ve been doing any job. Those are just the facts and doggedly attempting to argue otherwise is quite staggeringly arrogant. Not only that but you’ve also mentioned in other threads (home improvement thread) that you live with your parents so you neither have first hand experience of raising children, nor first hand experience of the juggling act of running a family home whilst parenting, and yet you’re handing out judgement on both?

You might want to reconsider who is being “rude”.

On top of that if you think Jo Frost uses effective techniques or that children “wouldn’t be so spoiled” if more people subscribed to her brand of parenting behaviourism, not only are you simply parroting theory, you’re parroting trash.

Theory and practice. Think you will find that they go hand in hand. I don't need to have children to understand the difficulties parents face. I provide solutions to them quite regularly and put support in place. I also happen to deal with some very complex cases and child protection

I can still have an opinion. That is what forums are for.

Theory links in with psychology so to have a grasp of it does help. I'm not just parroting theory. You're the one banging on about theory

Parenting isn't a one size fits all and so there isn't a certain way it 'should work' to quote you. There are safe ways though in the context of this thread.

Well I don't think a lot of children would be spoilt if there were consequences to behaviours or go off the rails because there are no consequences. I'm not on about children with disabilities. Completely different.

But you obviously know more than me because you have children.

[AnnieK]

I know what a privilege children are. I spent years in a cycle of fertility treatments, failures, heartache before finally having my child after years of trying.

In an ideal world, I would wrap him up in cotton wool, hand deliver him to school and not let him out of my sight. I have an understanding employer, I have never missed a special assembly, sports day, performance etc but I also have to pay the mortgage, put food on the table, clothe him etc etc. During his primary years I have had to rely massively on my widowed dad to assist with school runs as as understanding as my employer is, its not feasible for me to be able to change my hours as there would have to be some kick back somewhere, less money, working in the evenings, weekend working.....and that's my "mum" time.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I know what a privilege children are. I spent years in a cycle of fertility treatments, failures, heartache before finally having my child after years of trying.

In an ideal world, I would wrap him up in cotton wool, hand deliver him to school and not let him out of my sight. I have an understanding employer, I have never missed a special assembly, sports day, performance etc but I also have to pay the mortgage, put food on the table, clothe him etc etc. During his primary years I have had to rely massively on my widowed dad to assist with school runs as as understanding as my employer is, its not feasible for me to be able to change my hours as there would have to be some kick back somewhere, less money, working in the evenings, weekend working.....and that's my "mum" time.

Yeah, but you've made it work and well done to you for it.

I just can't advocate young children walking alone unless measures are put in place and there would be an age I would say not at all.

There's a fine balance that needs to be struck.

[Beso]

What's the stats for kids being robbed of their phones on the way to and from school?