[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour

the strong new Government



absolute socialist chancers

[joeysteele]

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

That's a lot of text to say exactly the same thing you've already said, without any substance.

Jeremy got within a few thousand votes in a few seats to being able to form a government in 2017, and turned labour into the largest party in Europe with a massive cash surplus off the back of small donations made by citizens and members, not corporations. He energised the young to participate in democracy and politics for the first time. You also know that his own internal party was working to stop him from winning, where they purposely syphoned money away from winnable seats and ploughed it into already safe seats.

The 19 election was a brexit election, which Jeremy understood and was committed to getting the best deal he could - he was let down by Starmer who was pushing for a 2nd ref at the time, and to be honest, people like me let him down, too, as I believed in stopping brexit.

Just read what you've written again. You've turned into an authoritarian without realising, that forbids anyone in the party from holding different views and expressing them. You know ho Diane has been treated, and you're putting it all back on her. Absolutely nothing redeeming about this post of yours.

Her constituents have elected her to fight for them, and whatever anyone wants to say about her, she fights for justice, not something you can say about any of this lot you're going to bat for. Her constituents should be the ones to say they don't want her anymore, or with her years of service, she should be afforded the right to close the curtain on her own political career.

As for Socialism versus realism, I can sort of get behind that. However, you haven't turned into a realist, you've turned into a right of the party authoritarian. Also, it's ok to lose political elections on our principles, and we make the argument again, and try to convince more people. Labour isn't in any danger this election, so this false choice you've pretended to have in order to mask the fact you're all over the place, holds absolutely no weight.

Finally - who are the extreme left candidates that were elected, and what are their extreme views? I don't need a response to any of the rest of my reply other than this point. Let's see who you are calling extreme and for what reason.

[arista]

[I am more a socialist but also a realist.]


That why you are great Joey

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Diane defies Keir: Furious Abbott tells huge crowd
she WILL stand to be an MP again despite
'Labour party wanting to exclude her'
as Starmer farce deepens with leader dodging
claims she was 'bullied']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...timidated.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Another one. Surprised Arista didn't start a thread already and I can't be arsed.

Candidates liking tweets about the green party (before they were members of labour) is a crime, but folks who ran for other parties or want to join from tories is just a-ok.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Diana Abbott's comments at a rally in
east London on Wednesday lead several of the
front pages.
The Guardian says Ms Abbott promised to remain
as an MP for "as long as possible",
amid a row over whether Labour will allow
her to run for their party in her
Hackney North and Stoke Newington seat
at the election.]

[arista]

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP

As long as she doesn’t utter a single, solitary word over the coming weeks


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[The Slim Reaper]

Absolute jokers

[Liam-]

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it

His Group
gave him a whisper

[joeysteele]

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.

Of course her on Over Long interview with Beth
at SkyNewsHD

[Beso]

Have I got news for you should be decent tonight.

[Livia]

Diane Abbott is 70 years old with a "serious long-term health condition". Is she really the best person for the job?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Diane Abbott is 70 years old with a "serious long-term health condition". Is she really the best person for the job?

The Locals want her.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

The Locals want her.

I know. What I can't understand is, why?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know. What I can't understand is, why?

Better the devil you know
type attitudes.

[Beso]

She caught the grandeur didnt she?

[The Slim Reaper]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think it's more to do with her being close to Corbyn than it is about her skin colour.

Starmer has a vendetta against Corbyn from what it looks like to me.

[Beso]

One rule for arseholes.