[bots]

I feel we are all being played like puppets. There is no way this all went down naturally

[Crimson Dynamo]

8:42PM
Corbyn: I have sent a message of support to Diane
Jeremy Corbyn received a standing ovation as he took to his feet and made his way to the podium to begin his speech, Connor Stringer writes.

Holding a small microphone, his opening remarks were to thank those in attendance and to wish two of his staffers happy birthday.

But soon after, the hall erupted into applause as Mr Corbyn expressed his support for Diane Abbott

He said: “Even as I am speaking, there are thousands of people outside Hackney Town Hall in support of Diane Abbott.

“Obviously I am not there with her but I have sent a message of support”.

[joeysteele]

I'd be suspending her again if I had my way.
The way she's going on.

Definitely time she was retired from Parliament.

She comes across as deranged.

[Liam-]

How dare she be angry at the appalling treatment she’s received

[Beso]

Things can only get better....

I wonder if they are still going to use that...

Jesus, it's like 2 old dinosaurs risen from the grave. Bring back spitting image.

[arista]

[arista]

[Cherie]

what a mess who briefed the media

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour

the strong new Government



absolute socialist chancers

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The decision of if Abbott can stand rests with now the National executive of the Party not the leader.

When the extreme left commanded more the NEC they insisted the NEC was gospel.
Now they're not getting their own way, it's all a fix .

Starmer may well have known it was concluded but the final decision on its recommendations will be instrucet BY the NEC now.
Not the Leader.
Although yes, he'll be happy if Abbott isn't an MP just as Corbyn was pleased to lose MPs he had no agreement with.

It's odd you're bothered about Abbott now.

"extreme left"

When you were cosplaying as a socialist a few months back, you'd have been considered on the extreme left, now look at you; absolutely nothing Starmer does is in any way a negative.

Corbyn never got involved in any of that, yet he was constantly accused of Stalinist purges. He was so accommodating to the right of the party, that his deputy was actively working against him, and he still took no action. Why you've started rewriting history is baffling.

As for the NEC, well, that's just more made up nonsense about the left, especially as the NEC aren't choosing candidates anymore, they've made themselves the candidates.

Luke Akehurst ring any bells?

For anyone that doesn't know, his day job is to try and infiltrate universities and other places where the youth inhabit, to promote zionism, as director of We Believe In Israel - a pro Israeli lobbying group. Completely cool with parachuting himself into Durham, where his work for a foreign government will be of no concern to Starmer, and for the record - what happens to Diane is Starmers choice, not the NEC. Stop it.




This is the man who has selected himself to be a labour candidate.

I know you've gone back to being fully right wing again (which is fine), but don't lie about the scary "extreme left" that just want your rivers to be free of crap, and those who are least fortunate in life to be supported. You can't name one extreme thing about those you are calling extremists. Very disappointing to see you take this turn.

[joeysteele]

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

[arista]

[I am more a socialist but also a realist.]


That why you are great Joey

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

That's a lot of text to say exactly the same thing you've already said, without any substance.

Jeremy got within a few thousand votes in a few seats to being able to form a government in 2017, and turned labour into the largest party in Europe with a massive cash surplus off the back of small donations made by citizens and members, not corporations. He energised the young to participate in democracy and politics for the first time. You also know that his own internal party was working to stop him from winning, where they purposely syphoned money away from winnable seats and ploughed it into already safe seats.

The 19 election was a brexit election, which Jeremy understood and was committed to getting the best deal he could - he was let down by Starmer who was pushing for a 2nd ref at the time, and to be honest, people like me let him down, too, as I believed in stopping brexit.

Just read what you've written again. You've turned into an authoritarian without realising, that forbids anyone in the party from holding different views and expressing them. You know ho Diane has been treated, and you're putting it all back on her. Absolutely nothing redeeming about this post of yours.

Her constituents have elected her to fight for them, and whatever anyone wants to say about her, she fights for justice, not something you can say about any of this lot you're going to bat for. Her constituents should be the ones to say they don't want her anymore, or with her years of service, she should be afforded the right to close the curtain on her own political career.

As for Socialism versus realism, I can sort of get behind that. However, you haven't turned into a realist, you've turned into a right of the party authoritarian. Also, it's ok to lose political elections on our principles, and we make the argument again, and try to convince more people. Labour isn't in any danger this election, so this false choice you've pretended to have in order to mask the fact you're all over the place, holds absolutely no weight.

Finally - who are the extreme left candidates that were elected, and what are their extreme views? I don't need a response to any of the rest of my reply other than this point. Let's see who you are calling extreme and for what reason.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Diane defies Keir: Furious Abbott tells huge crowd
she WILL stand to be an MP again despite
'Labour party wanting to exclude her'
as Starmer farce deepens with leader dodging
claims she was 'bullied']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...timidated.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Another one. Surprised Arista didn't start a thread already and I can't be arsed.

Candidates liking tweets about the green party (before they were members of labour) is a crime, but folks who ran for other parties or want to join from tories is just a-ok.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Diana Abbott's comments at a rally in
east London on Wednesday lead several of the
front pages.
The Guardian says Ms Abbott promised to remain
as an MP for "as long as possible",
amid a row over whether Labour will allow
her to run for their party in her
Hackney North and Stoke Newington seat
at the election.]

[arista]

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP

As long as she doesn’t utter a single, solitary word over the coming weeks


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[The Slim Reaper]

Absolute jokers

[Liam-]

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it

His Group
gave him a whisper

[joeysteele]

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.

Of course her on Over Long interview with Beth
at SkyNewsHD