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arista · 29-07-2024, 12:47 PM

Kemi Badenoch MP
Tom Tugendhat MP
Robert Jenrick MP
James Cleverly MP
Mel Stride MP
Priti Patel MP

Are now the Official 6 running to be leader
Suella only got 10 MP's backing her.

This goes onto November.

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD

Zizu · 29-07-2024, 01:00 PM

Kemi Badenoch v the Post Office is a great political soap opera. Like much good TV, however, it distracts us from reality. The business secretary fired Henry Staunton, the former chair of the Post Office, in January. A month later, Staunton told the Sunday Times that Sarah Munby, a senior civil servant, instructed him to slow compensation payments to victims of the Horizon scandal. Badenoch then launched an extraordinary character assassination from the dispatch box in the House of Commons, claiming Staunton had been fired after accusations of bullying (she originally told the public he had left by “mutual consent”). It’s not clear which story is true, but the prime minister notably refused to repeat Badenoch’s claims.

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arista · 02-08-2024, 07:20 PM

Esther McVey
helping Jenrick.

joeysteele · 02-08-2024, 08:08 PM

The problem with all of these.
Is they've all been part of the problems and scandals of the Cons in government.

How many PMs have they switched from and supported different policies totally of.
Coming out to defend PMs on policy and even wrongdoings.

The Cons need to look further afield.
I used to like Tom Tugendhat, I kind of still do but he's going down the ugly rhetoric of leaving the ECHR.
Which is just sounding like Sunak and others again.

Reform must be celebrating at the prospect of one of these taking over.
I am no lover of the Reform Party or Nigel Farage.
In fact I disagree with all they are.

However you know where you REALLY are with those in Reform because they stick to their principles.
Whichever one of these lot are elected as leader of the Cons, Farage and his party can discredit said leader at every turn.

All of them represent the errors of the past and nothing at all as to real change for the future.

Zizu · 02-08-2024, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

The problem with all of these.
Is they've all been part of the problems and scandals of the Cons in government.

How many PMs have they switched from and supported different policies totally of.
Coming out to defend PMs on policy and even wrongdoings.

The Cons need to look further afield.
I used to like Tom Tugendhat, I kind of still do but he's going down the ugly rhetoric of leaving the ECHR.
Which is just sounding like Sunak and others again.

Reform must be celebrating at the prospect of one of these taking over.
I am no lover of the Reform Party or Nigel Farage.
In fact I disagree with all they are.

However you know where you REALLY are with those in Reform because they stick to their principles.
Whichever one of these lot are elected as leader of the Cons, Farage and his party can discredit said leader at every turn.

All of them represent the errors of the past and nothing at all as to real change for the future.

Only Boris can save the Tories

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joeysteele · 02-08-2024, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Only Boris can save the Tories

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I half thought you may come in and say something like that.

I guess instead of electing one of these useless candidates who supported the rot once it set in.
Then they may as well choose the guy Johnson who started the rot in the first place.

Reform may have had problems more re Johnson but I think his time has well and truly passed now, even moreso with only 121 MPs.
The Con membership still have some affection for Johnson though.

Zizu · 02-08-2024, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I half thought you may come in and say something like that.

I guess instead of electing one of these useless candidates who supported the rot once it set in.
Then they may as well choose the guy Johnson who started the rot in the first place.

Reform may have had problems more re Johnson but I think his time has well and truly passed now, even moreso with only 121 MPs.
The Con membership still have some affection for Johnson though.

Boris is the ONLY current politician who even now has millions of admirers

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joeysteele · 02-08-2024, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Boris is the ONLY current politician who even now has millions of admirers

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As an orator and campaigner.yes.

As a leader in politics now, I'd question that really.
The time has ticked by.

Maybe had he stood against Rishi Sunak in the second election of 2022.
However really he didn't actually have enough Con MPs votes then even to go through and he realised that

arista · 02-08-2024, 10:14 PM

Beso · 02-08-2024, 11:12 PM

Are they still a thing?

arista · 04-08-2024, 07:16 AM

In today's Sun on Sunday

Jenrick has stated we need TV debates between the
possible Leaders,

Yes
BBC1HD
ITV1HD
Ch4HD
Ch5HD
SkyNewsHD &
GBnewsHD

Livia · 04-08-2024, 09:48 AM

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

joeysteele · 04-08-2024, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

To be fair, I don't mind her actually.

Livia · 04-08-2024, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

To be fair, I don't mind her actually.

I think she's by far the best of a pretty poor bunch.

joeysteele · 04-08-2024, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I think she's by far the best of a pretty poor bunch.

I agree Livia.
It's going to be a hard task for whoever wins.

Because I now cannot see Reform not being a growing force.
How much it grows will depend on how effective the new Con leader is.
I wonder if you agree with that.

It's kind of like in the 80s
Where the opposition vote split between Labour and the Alliance( SDP/LIbs).
It took at least 2 elections for Labour to just neutralise the effect of the Alliance.

However I have a feeling that Reform will more likely than not build on where they got to this election.
They did get the 3rd highest voting figures.

arista · 04-08-2024, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If I was a Tory, and I'm not, I'd vote for Kemi all day long.

Yes one of the top
of the 6.

arista · 04-08-2024, 10:49 AM

Good GBnewsHD
does their Normal Political show 9:30AM -11AM Sundays
featured Jenrick, David Davis.

Unlike BBC Laura and
And Sky News Trevor both on breaks

bots · 04-08-2024, 11:03 AM

i don't think any of the candidates will be able to turn round the tory party. None of them are without blame for the absolute mess the tory party has been in for the last few years. The eventual leader will be someone that breaks through that had a relatively clean pair of hands through all the mess. That's going to take time, probably at least a couple of years, so this is all a giant waste of time at the moment

Livia · 04-08-2024, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think any of the candidates will be able to turn round the tory party. None of them are without blame for the absolute mess the tory party has been in for the last few years. The eventual leader will be someone that breaks through that had a relatively clean pair of hands through all the mess. That's going to take time, probably at least a couple of years, so this is all a giant waste of time at the moment

I tend to agree with that.