[Jessica.]

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I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.

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But it is revenge

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What was sad is she had to watch the killing

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

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But it is revenge

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What was sad is she had to watch the killing

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Yes that was the sad part, she was finally going to give him a chance and she lost him.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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Yes that was the sad part, she was finally going to give him a chance and she lost him.

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Yes,
She was all ready to start again
him being her great buddy
He was the man who saved her.

I agree that was very sad

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.

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…it was probably one of the most emotional and brutal TV death scenes I’ve ever watched…I can’t believe that I started to watch season 3 of From just yesterday with the equally devastating, savage torture of Tian-Chen and then Joel today…and both deaths in themselves were intended and designed for not just an end but a tremendous suffering, weren’t they…which brings another level of harrowing and merciless…I knew Joel’s death was written in the video game but I didn’t know when it would come in this season…it made me think of when Negan killed Glenn with Lucille in TWD…and I know that it wasn’t Abby’s intention to have Ellie watch that final blow and beg Joel to get up but that she was there with him and witnessing it was just…a lot…:’(…

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…it was probably one of the most emotional and brutal TV death scenes I’ve ever watched…I can’t believe that I started to watch season 3 of From just yesterday with the equally devastating, savage torture of Tian-Chen and then Joel today…and both deaths in themselves were intended and designed for not just an end but a tremendous suffering, weren’t they…which brings another level of harrowing and merciless…I knew Joel’s death was written in the video game but I didn’t know when it would come in this season…it made me think of when Negan killed Glenn with Lucille in TWD…and I know that it wasn’t Abby’s intention to have Ellie watch that final blow and beg Joel to get up but that she was there with him and witnessing it was just…a lot…:’(…

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Oh Ammi, they horrific episodes to see two days in a row.
They filmed this slightly different to the game, I don't know if you'd want me to tell you. I think this was a bit more emotional too. It was just as awful as Glenn's death, you're right about that. I wouldn't be shocked if Abby was glad that Ellie watched, she's a very damaged girl.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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Oh Ammi, they horrific episodes to see two days in a row.
They filmed this slightly different to the game, I don't know if you'd want me to tell you. I think this was a bit more emotional too. It was just as awful as Glenn's death, you're right about that. I wouldn't be shocked if Abby was glad that Ellie watched, she's a very damaged girl.

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…that was another thing that I felt was similar with Negan as well in how emotionally damaged he was and even before Abby has seen her father in the aftermath…?…it hinted at her having some kind of schizophrenia/type psychosis…both very damaged people …

[Cherie]

Seriously drained and strangely deflated after that episode

[Niamh.]

Great episode

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I knew it was coming, I didn't know how brutal it would be though. Gav didn't know that Joel was going to die though so he was shocked. Poor Luke was traumatised all over again

[user104658]

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Follow on from the above here's an interesting thought - Abby in show stabs Joel in the neck, game Abby kills him by bashing his head with the club. However... in the first game Joel kills Abby's dad by stabbing him in the neck (with his own scalpel) whereas in the show he shoots him. I wonder if Joel being stabbed in the neck in-show is a nod to that?

[user104658]

actual probably show spoilers if you've not played the game:

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Is it fully going to go the same direction with Abby being a protagonist/following her story/getting to know her like the game does? I reckon show-watchers are going to be so confused when the show starts following her as not-a-villain

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

actual probably show spoilers if you've not played the game:

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Is it fully going to go the same direction with Abby being a protagonist/following her story/getting to know her like the game does? I reckon show-watchers are going to be so confused when the show starts following her as not-a-villain

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I think so, actually i think it's a cool idea for a TV show anyway to flip it like that. Myself and Luke had an argument about this last night, I could totally see Abby's side(he just hates her), Joel did kill her dad after all (yes I know he was saving Ellie but Ellie could have been the key to saving everyone and imo should have been her choice anyway rather than Joels)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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I think so, actually i think it's a cool idea for a TV show anyway to flip it like that. Myself and Luke had an argument about this last night, I could totally see Abby's side(he just hates her), Joel did kill her dad after all (yes I know he was saving Ellie but Ellie could have been the key to saving everyone and imo should have been her choice anyway rather than Joels)

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While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far ... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.

But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 . What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

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While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far ... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.

But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 . What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.

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I haven't played the game like i said so while I have an idea of the story line It will still all be new to see it from Abby's POV, it's a good concept, uncomfortable yes but a lot of situations aren't black and white and there's always 2 sides so I'm sad Joel's dead but I'm excited to see the different perspectives as well, you don't usually get that in TV Shows

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

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While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far ... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.

But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 . What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.

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…it’ll be interesting to see…(…if they’re following that same storyline as the game…)…how it translates to all of us who aren’t familiar with the game…because gaming is a different perspective in that the player has an active part and that active part gives other perspectives that we can’t feel as just viewers of the TV story …and also, those who have played the game and are familiar etc…?… will have already made that transition if you like, to see Abby in a more positive way…so going forward, whatever path the story takes, it’ll be easier to slot into it and find an understanding of it… on the screen, that image of her atm is only that of disturbing and brutal and cruel …I understand that Joel killed her father …?… and an eye for an eye in revenge etc…but she didn’t want that eye for an eye, did she…her aim as she said, wasn’t to kill him…it was to kill him slowly and painfully and brutally…that’s not something that ever entered his head in killing Abby’s father …even her fellow fireflies who knew her search for revenge…?..were seen looking sickened with what she was doing…/…the method…so yeah, it’ll be interesting to see going forward how any or enough positive light with Abby can translate to any non game players…

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…it’ll be interesting to see…(…if they’re following that same storyline as the game…)…how it translates to all of us who aren’t familiar with the game…because gaming is a different perspective in that the player has an active part and that active part gives other perspectives that we can’t feel as just viewers of the TV story …and also, those who have played the game and are familiar etc…?… will have already made that transition if you like, to see Abby in a more positive way…so going forward, whatever path the story takes, it’ll be easier to slot into it and find an understanding of it… on the screen, that image of her atm is only that of disturbing and brutal and cruel …I understand that Joel killed her father …?… and an eye for an eye in revenge etc…but she didn’t want that eye for an eye, did she…her aim as she said, wasn’t to kill him…it was to kill him slowly and painfully and brutally…that’s not something that ever entered his head in killing Abby’s father …even her fellow fireflies who knew her search for revenge…?..were seen looking sickened with what she was doing…/…the method…so yeah, it’ll be interesting to see going forward how any or enough positive light with Abby can translate to any non game players…

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I agree that Abby's revenge went too far but that's really part of the plot and it's something that Abby comes to realise; that it didn't help her, it didn't make her feel better, and that it just continued the cycle of violence and revenge... and you can't look too harshly on Abby compared to Ellie as Ellie also goes down a dark path with Joel's death.

[Niamh.]

Speaking of the horses, why

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Did the one horse have the extra passenger and have to pull the dead body too

[user104658]

More spoilers but not too specific:

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In-game Abby also ends up being a "protector" to a younger character much like Joel was to Ellie in the first game/season and there's a bit of subtext that she starts to realise and understand more why Joel did what he did to protect Ellie. There's supposed to be a sort of irony in all of it in that you get an impression that Abby and Joel are quite similar and would have liked/respected each other if they'd met under other circumstances. I dunno if it'll work the same way in the show because Abby in the game is an absolute tank, built like a brick shithouse and hard as nails, so it's very convincing that she acts as a protector to the younger character... in the show I don't know how it'll work as she's tiny .

[Jessica.]

I don't think the spoilers are a good idea.

[Ammi]

…it’s ok with the spoilers for/to me because I am aware of a lot of it through various people who are familiar with the game anyway …it’ll just be interesting to see if it all translates as well to the screen storyline because that’s giving a different perspective to the game, you know…when you play an active part in something as opposed to it just being a non participating visual thing…for instance… @Quantum Boy

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…in say a James Bond game…?…we could see James Bind die and die again, couldn’t we because we have that objective of keeping him alive and that would be our focus plus making sure we blast every single bad guy off the screen…but that’s an entirely different perspective to seeing James Bond die in the screen and such a brutal death and how we’d feel about his killer……

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s ok with the spoilers for/to me because I am aware of a lot of it through various people who are familiar with the game anyway …it’ll just be interesting to see if it all translates as well to the screen storyline because that’s giving a different perspective to the game, you know…when you play an active part in something as opposed to it just being a non participating visual thing…for instance… @Quantum Boy

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…in say a James Bond game…?…we could see James Bind die and die again, couldn’t we because we have that objective of keeping him alive and that would be our focus plus making sure we blast every single bad guy off the screen…but that’s an entirely different perspective to seeing James Bond die in the screen and such a brutal death and how we’d feel about his killer……

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A lot of TLOU players absolutely hate Abby and hated being "forced to" play as Abby after she killed Joel... and I actually think that's a big part of why and what made the game so interesting and something very different; you play through the whole first game AS Joel and as you say, he's the one you're keeping alive, he's the guy who represents YOU and who you're playing as... and then in the 2nd game you play for a bit as Ellie, and then a little bit as Abby when she's introduced and you fight alongside Joel... and THEN the scene comes where Abby kills Joel with Ellie forced to watch. It's so jarring I think specifically because of that firs game being all playing as Joel... and now this new character who you've played as has killed him . Then you play something like a whole 6+ hours as Ellie, then it pulls a massive twist and you play through that same 3 days you've just seen from Ellie's perspective as Abby again. People really did not like it at all and resented playing as her, there was so much anger about it online . It might be a bit lessened in the show since it's just "watching" from Abby's perspective, rather than actually "being Abby".

[arista]

9PM Tonight

Episode 3 of 7.

Ellie,
wants her revenge.............................

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Love the ending, showing the overgrown City
ahead

[Ammi]

…episode 3…

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…it’s a bit was a good episode…the opening conveyed the sadness so well that was felt at the loss of Joel…the episode really put the breaks on after last week but it was just what was needed and Ellie’s pleading her case for justice for Joel was heartbreaking…</3…

[Jessica.]

It was a great episode!

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I loved the part where Ellie's face changed as she was exiting the hospital, from relaxed and friendly to absolutely furious! I am surprised her and Dina haven't canoodled yet either! Their relationship is going a lot slower than the game!

[Cherie]

Great episode, settled things down nicely after last week and ramped it up for next week, can't wait for it now, I am not usually a binge watcher but would binge this for sure if it were all available