[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

So that makes it okay to outright plot to nominate as a pack?

They should all lose the right to nominate next time round, if they are still there.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by smudgie

They should all lose the fight to nominate next time round, if they are still there.

Sure. Any way to keep Ali slowing trying to poison people against other housemates.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by smudgie

They should all lose the right to nominate next time round, if they are still there.

I don’t mind them being able to nominate but I think they should be banned from nominating Ali since they’ve plotted it beforehand.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

I acknowledge that they are rounding on her, but it is Ali's actions which have helped lead to this. And she is now starting to turn on Dean too.

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

Yes. To me Ali had been targeting Khaled and making his life uncomfortable in there being she thought he wasn't genuine. She's also dealt with it far differently to the likes of Sarah and Rosie, where she's aired the view in the Diary Room but not the house. Everyone where she stands with him and, the moment someone has a disagreement with him, it suddenly comes out of nowhere that Ali may be right - see Martha, Izaaz, Thomas.

Additionally it looks worse because we saw the three of them vent but, in terms of building a target, it was little worse than Ali and Dean's sessions on the live feed which didn't make the highlights. It is working both ways in there. It isn't as if the three are suddenly disliking Ali for no reason. Particularly Khaled.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

Yes. To me Ali had been targeting Khaled and making his life uncomfortable in there being she thought he wasn't genuine. She's also dealt with it far differently to the likes of Sarah and Rosie, where she's aired the view in the Diary Room but not the house. Everyone where she stands with him and, the moment someone has a disagreement with him, it suddenly comes out of nowhere that Ali may be right - see Martha, Izaaz, Thomas.

Additionally it looks worse because we saw the three of them vent but, in terms of building a target, it was little worse than Ali and Dean's sessions on the live feed which didn't make the highlights. It is working both ways in there. It isn't as if the three are suddenly disliking Ali for no reason. Particularly Khaled.

I agree that Ali hasn't handled the Khaled situation correctly, but I do think there is a bit of a difference between Dean and Ali, or Lily and Ali, or Martha and Ali discussing a HM and Segun, Hanah and Khaled plotting to all nominate her.

Segun, Hanah and Khaled should be allowed to talk freely about their thoughts on Ali (aside from calling her a witch and discussing nominations) without it being labelled bullying or ganging up, why is the same not afforded to Ali? It's always 'targeting' and 'turning on' but when others do similar, or worse, it's fine.

Ali has an issue with Khaled. I don't agree with her issue per se (though he spent most of yesterday looking smug). That's not targeting, that's someone not liking someone else, which happens in life. The reason it's been different is because she voiced her opinion to someone who shared it with Khaled, which led to Ali and Khaled talking, and things went from there. Because Khaled knows how Ali feels, every time there is a head-but, it feeds into their conversation, as it's bound to.

People talk about people infantilising Lily but many viewers do the same with Khaled. He's a grown man having a disagreement with a grown woman.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it? She's had a few disagreements with Khaled and Marcello. That is literally all that's happened. She actually seems to be on solid ground with Marcello most of the time despite head bashing now and again.

How does that warrant three people rounding in on her? And also, why is Hanah bothered they used her to protect Lily, when they saved them both later anyway?

It's so interesting because whenever Ali mentions anyone negatively, it's constantly framed by people on here are "targeting" and "turning on". How can one person target 5 different people? She's making observations on situations, whether her observations are right or wrong doesn't matter, but they all are mentioning people all the time... is Nathan "targeting" Martha? Is he "turning on" Ali?

Makes me laugh that Ali is accused of targeting Sarah... BP... Dean...by saying something negative to one other person, or in the Diary Room, but Segun, Hanah and Khaled all agreeing to nominate Ali next week isn't "targeting"

Ali and Dean didn't know they were going to be able to killer nominate/save and replace.

Let's talk hypothetically. If Lily hadn't been paired with Hanah. Say it was Hanah and Sarah for instance. And Hanah and Sarah were both up for eviction and Lily was safe in a different pairing. Do you think Ali would have gone the same way or, in her mind, would she have been tempted to save Nathan? Would save and replace even have been applied?

I feel Hanah was saved only because of Lily and I guess Hanah can see this. Of course it's a tactical game but she's not just taking this one thing into consideration. Ali can be unreasonable in her behaviour and dismissive of others and we don't actually get to see everything.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Ali and Dean didn't know they were going to be able to killer nominate/save and replace.

Let's talk hypothetically. If Lily hadn't been paired with Hanah. Say it was Hanah and Sarah for instance. And Hanah and Sarah were both up for eviction and Lily was safe in a different pairing. Do you think Ali would have gone the same way or, in her mind, would she have been tempted to save Nathan? Would save and replace even have been applied?

I feel Hanah was saved only because of Lily and I guess Hanah can see this. Of course it's a tactical game but she's not just taking this one thing into consideration. Ali can be unreasonable in her behaviour and dismissive of others and we don't actually get to see everything.

On the grounds that Ali didn't know Save and Replace was going to be a choice, I think she made a tactical mis-step with pairing Hanah with Lily. I think Lily should have been Khaled. Hanah and Lily were nominated by Emma & Thomas, Nathan & Izaaz and Rosie & Sarah. I'm not sure whether any of them would have as comfortable nominating Khaled as they were Hanah. Ali became so fixated that Khaled's group were the ones nominating Lily, she didn't consider the wider house, and where relationships had formed.

[Benjamin]

***** about to go down

[Crimson Dynamo]

Drown the witch in the pond

[Lostie!]

Ali thinks she's going mad. Khaled gaslighting confirmed!!!

[bots]

hanah and her team of bullies

[Benjamin]

I hate the go to town ad so much

[Garfie]

They’re not bullies. They just feel used and are peeved.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Garfie

They’re not bullies. They just feel used and are peeved.

Nope, they’re great big gaslighting bullies

[Lostie!]

Hanah, Segun and Khaled aren't as smart as they think they are. Yes, they paired Lily with Hanah to protect her. That pair was never intended to be in danger, hence being saved

[bots]

Nathan is gay

[Ammi]

…giving house team building and mood raising vibes……

[Ammi]

…Nathan is so bad with his manipulation, he’s slipping under the radar atm…

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…Nathan is so bad with his manipulation, he’s slipping under the radar atm…

I think what he said was absolutely correct though tbf. Not much of a fan of his, but yeah.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

I think what he said was absolutely correct though tbf. Not much of a fan of his, but yeah.

…I still think he’s constantly doing that with the ‘fake’ thing to try to manipulate opinions …whether he’s correct or not…

[Benjamin]

BP friends with the green giant

[Benjamin]

Nathan clocking Ali and Martha at last

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Nathan. Drag that hag

[MTVN]

Heh that was quite funny actually