[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and that is the crux, and to expand on that given that biological men can now identify on a whim as trans and some people would want them to have access to female only spaces and they find that acceptable.

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

Yes, I do, for a range of reasons, to access vulnerable women and children, to intimidate, to prove they can access female spaces, to have an easier time in prison...how many men who have raped women have been placed in womens prisons for instance? and one is too many btw

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are more likely to be predators that cis men? That’s just wrong I’m afraid

It's not if you understand what's meant by "more likely"; they are more likely by proportion, not by number. Obviously there are many times more cis men than trans women, so far more women are victimised by cis men, but that's got nothing to do with the proportionate stats.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's not if you understand what's meant by "more likely"; they are more likely by proportion, not by number. Obviously there are many times more cis men than trans women, so far more women are victimised by cis men, but that's got nothing to do with the proportionate stats.

Im surprised you had to type that.

[Jessica.]

Basically it was a study about how under reported sexual abuse by females is and that it's around 3 times as prevalent than previously thought. There was another study too with something similar but yeah, I haven't had a chance to fetch them. I'm going to be out all day tomorrow too so not making any promises.

[Niamh.]

Oh dear. Another 10 years maybe

[Nicky91]

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

what even?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

her father did official interviews during the Paris2024 games


also trans people are against the law in Algeria, so if she were trans, i'd more say she would be in jail, rather than compete in the olympics for her country




it all started because she won over the weak crybaby Angela Carini, well not Imane's problem that Miss Carini is physically among the weaker boxers this particular category, maybe Carini should compete at a different discipline this sport


but yeah blame the muslim, very easy these times

Yeah, the biological woman is a weak cry baby.

I'm thoroughly tired of you and your nonsense, Nicky.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, the biological woman is a weak cry baby.

I'm thoroughly tired of you and your nonsense, Nicky.

none of Khelif her other opponents had those nose pains like Carini though


and honestly her road to the gold wasn't easy, quite some tough matches for her


so yeah i stick with my opinion on this, Angela Carini should compete at a easier level


and there have been other female boxers whom had defeated Imane Khelif too, like that irish Kellie Harrington

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

none of Khelif her other opponents had those nose pains like Carini though


and honestly her road to the gold wasn't easy, quite some tough matches for her


so yeah i stick with my opinion on this, Angela Carini should compete at a easier level


and there have been other female boxers whom had defeated Imane Khelif too, like that irish Kellie Harrington

Don't waste your time or mine by responding to me anymore.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't waste your time or mine by responding to me anymore.

I feel like this only encourages it

[Maru]

I can't see how they measure trans as a bonafide demographic (akin to sex) accurately, because even now, most things are measured according to male/female. So that also makes deep comparisons with preexisting statistics very tricky.

We can have a person counted one way statistically pretransition... but somehow we'll have to remove them later on in that population after they transition and ignore key differences in medical profiles? It doesn't change that future studies still count them based on sex, because that is still the most reliable predictor for much of the variables being looked at across studies... because we don't measure things in "character profiles", we measure them biologically. So in that case are we measuring them against other statistics where they're probably counted twice? (lol) It doesn't really work...

I think most of this ends up being pseudo-science because it's drawing up certain conclusions just in the way it is measured. It's very easy to ignore that is a mental health problem, ie a profile but not quite the same category as male/female. Moreover, not all trans people are transitioned in the same way and thus some will present differently. That has major social implications as well because even just small things like that can impact the explanations for differences. Then trying to haphazardly fit all that into a simple box akin to sex (male/female) is very messy. It leans a certain way just based on how it is measured and how it is being compared... and it doesn't account for the things we can't measure, like there will be key details being missed from when they were pretransitioned and not yet identified by anyone as trans... and yet we're supposed to compare those details against their own sex category, which maybe has other people who remain unidentified? That doesn't wash for me...

[Ninastar]

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

They had mixed sex teams in the recent Olympic shooting .. as I recall the girls were better than the guys


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

A genuine interest I have is if there was a boxing competition for anyone of either to enter, what would the gender be of the person who won.

I’m still assuming biological male in cases of physical's sports but stuff like shooting/bow and arrow/disk golf etc etc it wouldn’t be too much of a big deal

Also I would like to see sports that had like an equal number of both genders on a team like say 5 women and 5 men in a football game vs another team of 5 men and 5 women

Things that are purely skill based can work.

Anything involving speed, strength or stamina will always be dominated by biological males (to the extent that, realistically, women wouldn't even be competing at the top level).

Combat sports like boxing it wouldn't be interesting at all it would be horrific - serious risk of severe injury or death. It's honestly that simple unfortunately. The combination of the vast difference in upper body strength and bone density.

Mixed teams can and do work in some sports (mixed doubles tennis for example, relays etc)

[Ninastar]

I don’t really understand the point of bringing up another of Americas failures in reference to this. It’s something that has nothing to do with the other

Why not bring up the billionaires using their jets and hurting the ecosystem

Or immigrants who came to the states illegally and sexually assault/murder people

Or our failure to take proper care of veterans and homeless families

[Nicky91]

she just is one of those women who looks more masculine than others, so i'd also place her into the category of women's boxing, with more women who also look very masculine, who got a lot of muscle, like that it would be a lot fairer for everyone i think


but Imane Khelif is and always has been female




i mean Navratilova also always has been female, while also looking questionably masculine, and not very feminine at all



in my nation you also got a couple

Lucia Rijker, Nouchka Fontijn, Sherida Spitse


whom got very masculine traits, lots of muscle, the former two of which who also were boxers, and the latter who has been a international at our women's football team


to name a couple of examples, sooo to say Imane Khelif is trans is a insult


not every woman looks like a disney princess or social media influencer honestly


no offense of course

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

she just is one of those women who looks more masculine than others, so i'd also place her into the category of women's boxing, with more women who also look very masculine, who got a lot of muscle, like that it would be a lot fairer for everyone i think


but Imane Khelif is and always has been female




i mean Navratilova also always has been female, while also looking questionably masculine, and not very feminine at all



in my nation you also got a couple

Lucia Rijker, Nouchka Fontijn, Sherida Spitse


whom got very masculine traits, lots of muscle, the former two of which who also were boxers, and the latter who has been a international at our women's football team


to name a couple of examples, sooo to say Imane Khelif is trans is a insult


not every woman looks like a disney princess or social media influencer honestly


no offense of course

Don't forget a Korean Actress.

I don't know how they find them in that country, but beautiful women seem to pop onto their screens at a high volume.

[Nicky91]

the IBA has been one vile organisation honestly, under the regime of Umar Kremlev

[arista]

[BREAKING: World Boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing for its competitions.]


Yes, about time.

[Cherie]

Fair

[Mystic Mock]

What happens if the test proves that she's Intersex?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What happens if the test proves that she's Intersex?

Loads of people are into sex …




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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Loads of people are into sex …




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