[Glenn.]

Never seen more contrived **** in all my life. Her video after he died was extremely enlightening

[Crimson Dynamo]

The White House
@WhiteHouse
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This is the turning point. 🇺🇸a

[Crimson Dynamo]

70,000 in the stadium, millions watching - all for Charlie and what he stood for

[bots]

He was a very conflicting character. Also, very few people are entirely bad or entirely good, that's what makes us human beings. So worshiping or hating him are extremes of reaction. He was just some dude that said some stuff and made a lot of money that lived a few thousand miles away

[Maru]

Politics aside, true colors are out and once the pain eases, I will feel much better I think knowing who I can't trust is now obvious.

That list is only just 1 or 2 people for me. However others who keep close connections to people who flirt around with the idea of this kind of violence being OK and normalized will be in for a rude awakening later on when that logic inevitably starts to unravel in on itself.

[Livia]

A very moving memorial.

I find it hilarious that the same people who claim Charlie said horrible things and was intolerant are the very same people who say horrible things about others are are intolerant, attempting to force ideologies on the unwilling and set themselves apart in some way.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

A very moving memorial.

I find it hilarious that the same people who claim Charlie said horrible things and was intolerant are the very same people who say horrible things about others are are intolerant, attempting to force ideologies on the unwilling and set themselves apart in some way.

I didn’t agree with the majority of his very strong Christian beliefs, including his stance on abortion and homosexuality. He did say a lot of awful things, however he didn’t deserve to be assassinated.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I didn’t agree with the majority of his very strong Christian beliefs, including his stance on abortion and homosexuality. He did say a lot of awful things, however he didn’t deserve to be assassinated.

What were the awful things he said? What did he say about abortion that was awful?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

He was a very conflicting character. Also, very few people are entirely bad or entirely good, that's what makes us human beings. So worshiping or hating him are extremes of reaction. He was just some dude that said some stuff and made a lot of money that lived a few thousand miles away

….hmmmm, see in life he might have just been some dude that said some stuff and made a lot of money and who lived a few thousand miles away etc…?…but in death and the violence of his death…?…his power and his legacy is so much more that that dude…regardless of what any personal thoughts of him or his beliefs…

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

He was a very conflicting character. Also, very few people are entirely bad or entirely good, that's what makes us human beings. So worshiping or hating him are extremes of reaction. He was just some dude that said some stuff and made a lot of money that lived a few thousand miles away

It's the worship of politics that is too much for me. What individuals do with their language is up to them but I am under no obligation to give a ****.

If one is riled up enough to ragepost on X, etc, they are inevitably inviting more of it into their feed because the algos prioritize engagement. Edit: These sites help reinforce delusions and arguably we all play a role in supporting that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I didn’t agree with the majority of his very strong Christian beliefs, including his stance on abortion and homosexuality. He did say a lot of awful things, however he didn’t deserve to be assassinated.

That's a healthy view. You're allowed to disagree with him. However, some gay people have been rabid in their hatred of him for holding strong Christian views, the same views that are the norm in Islam. Yet those same people support Islam's version of those hateful views, views that mean every un-moderate Muslim would be happy to see them thrown off a roof.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Alf

What were the awful things he said? What did he say about abortion that was awful?

I said I didn’t agree with his stance on abortion.

In terms of awful things you can do a simple search to find them (I’ve no need to do it for you). An example though being him saying that a heterosexual marriage should be a pre-requisite for adoption. I find that an awful thing to say (be it his opinion, I still find it awful).

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I didn’t agree with the majority of his very strong Christian beliefs, including his stance on abortion and homosexuality. He did say a lot of awful things, however he didn’t deserve to be assassinated.

It’s because of people like you that a straight man can love and respect a gay man

[Maru]

Off topic but was taken aback by how thick that glass was at the memorial. The "beams" werent structural... that was the actual thickness if it when they turned the camera.

Looking it up, could be as thick as 3.5" for Presidential security...

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I didn’t agree with the majority of his very strong Christian beliefs, including his stance on abortion and homosexuality. He did say a lot of awful things, however he didn’t deserve to be assassinated.

We all have thoughts that could make us "awful" in the eyes of other, as it is all subjective at the end of the day.

It's easier to understand why politicians might get shot bc their job carries an inherent risk . Judges can get shot for a ruling that isn't in line or in favor of the assailant and it often is a domestic case.

However, can never understand the harming of another civilian for simply professing a belief. It has and will always be a thing, sure, but the sudden normalization of this is what is most disturbing.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Maru

We all have thoughts that could make us "awful" in the eyes of other, as it is all subjective at the end of the day.

It's easier to understand why politicians might get shot bc their job carries an inherent risk . Judges can get shot for a ruling that isn't in line or in favor of the assailant and it often is a domestic case.

However, can never understand the harming of another civilian for simply professing a belief. It has and will always be a thing, sure, but the sudden normalization of this is what is most disturbing.

I’m not disputing that. Alf wanted an example of why I held my opinion.

But yeah, the normalisation of harming people for professing different beliefs is disturbing.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I’m not disputing that. Alf wanted an example of why I held my opinion.

But yeah, the normalisation of harming people for professing different beliefs is disturbing.

Gotcha. I figured that. I just woke up (its 5am) so had some Jello and was getting thoughts off my chest. Maybe get a few more hours later on...

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Maru

Gotcha. I figured that. I just woke up (its 5am) so had some Jello and was getting thoughts off my chest. Maybe get a few more hours later on...

Haha, look forward to it. Get yourself a nice cup of coffee in the meantime. I’ve just finished mine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Maru

Gotcha. I figured that. I just woke up (its 5am) so had some Jello and was getting thoughts off my chest. Maybe get a few more hours later on...

Jelly at 5 am?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Jelly at 5 am?

It was the most available and nice and cold so it helped a sore tummy that just needing something solid (-ish?)

[Maru]

Trump goes against Charlie Kirk's grieving widow's call to forgive 'assassin' at memorial https://mol.im/a/15121073

Trump delivered a fiery 45-minute eulogy to the late conservative activist, 31, who was fatally shot on September 10 while debating students at the Utah Valley University college campus.

In Trump's speech - delivered to a crowd of 60,000 inside State Farm Stadium in Arizona and tens of thousands more tuning in virtually - Trump revealed the key component of Kirk's message that he disagreed with.

'He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them,' Trump said of Kirk.

'That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best for them.

'I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erika, but now Erika can talk to me, and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand my opponent.'

Moments before Trump's admission, Erika had stunned the crowd by publicly offering forgiveness to her husband's killer.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Maru

Trump goes against Charlie Kirk's grieving widow's call to forgive 'assassin' at memorial https://mol.im/a/15121073

The president of the United States.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I said I didn’t agree with his stance on abortion.

In terms of awful things you can do a simple search to find them (I’ve no need to do it for you). An example though being him saying that a heterosexual marriage should be a pre-requisite for adoption. I find that an awful thing to say (be it his opinion, I still find it awful).

I don't need to do a quick search. I''ve been following him on social media for the past 10 years. I know what he said is not hateful.

His stance on abortion is basically don't murder humans and you say you disagree with that?

[Maru]

So remember how Erika and her kids were said to have been supposedly at the event and also the claim his daughter ran to him?

1) We learned she wasn't there because she had to board a plane when she heard he got shot.

2) Snopes has a pretty damning article on Grok and other AI unreliability playing a role in fabricating a lot of those details based on its own lazy conjecture (which it admits, lol):

Once again, upon repeatedly asking Grok to provide evidence, the AI tool admitted of the CNN quotes, "I fabricated these quotes, likely by synthesizing details from the general narrative without verifying them against the actual transcripts." The tool then repeated, "I made up these quotes." (We searched the Internet Archive's TV News Archive tool and confirmed the quotes did not appear during any of Burnett's broadcasts, including a check of four transcripts from Sept. 10, 11, 12 and 15.)

Search engines presented misleading AI-generated answers

In search engines, Bing wrongly presented the AI-generated information, "Authorities and witnesses confirmed that his wife, Erika Frantzve Kirk, and their two young children were present at the event when the fatal shot was fired." The search engine cited as its source an article hosted on a Nigeria-managed blog. That blog lacked standard legal documentation, such as a terms of service and privacy policy, and did not display any staff members' names.

A DuckDuckGo search also displayed an AI-generated answer reading in part, "Charlie Kirk's children did not witness the shooting, as they were not present at the event where he was killed." The answer cited articles from ABC News and BBC News — neither of which said anything about Kirk's children not witnessing their father's shooting.

S: https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/...mily-shooting/


This was also reported on not too long ago:

Two major AI coding tools wiped out user data after making cascading mistakes
"I have failed you completely and catastrophically," wrote Gemini.
https://arstechnica.com/information-...eal-user-data/

When questioned about its actions, the AI agent admitted to "panicking in response to empty queries" and running unauthorized commands—suggesting it may have deleted the database while attempting to "fix" what it perceived as a problem.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

So remember how Erika and her kids were said to have been supposedly at the event and also the claim his daughter ran to him?

1) We learned she wasn't there because she had to board a plane when she heard he got shot.

2) Snopes has a pretty damning article on Grok and other AI unreliability playing a role in fabricating a lot of those details based on its own lazy conjecture (which it admits, lol):





S: https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/...mily-shooting/


This was also reported on not too long ago:

Two major AI coding tools wiped out user data after making cascading mistakes
"I have failed you completely and catastrophically," wrote Gemini.
https://arstechnica.com/information-...eal-user-data/

…it’s so sad for us all that with so many things and truly horrific things …?…that we’re in a world of holding our breath to know the accuracy and truth of…well, any news story…but when it’s a particularly horrendous event and involves loss of life…then, as we’re holding our breath or our thoughts to ascertain accuracy…?…does that also have a huge impact on empathies and hence the world often seeming to be so lacking in value of human life…but if we can’t believe, then can we feel in the same way…?…it’s all a scary thought for today’s world and for our children’s future…