[CrashDavis]

[rquote=2527639&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer]Anti Siavash fans are ridiculous. I dislike Charlie but I don't go into every thread complaining about him.

And this myth that Siavash fans are completely one sided if stupid aswell. Vicky and kitty are the main ones defending him but they agree he's not perfect!

This forum is having a bad day! [/rquote]

Him not being perfect is the biggest understatement of the year. I've used the cheating card about 3 times already but how can anyone, and especially women, still like him after that?

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

[rquote=2527670&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis][rquote=2527639&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer]Anti Siavash fans are ridiculous. I dislike Charlie but I don't go into every thread complaining about him.

And this myth that Siavash fans are completely one sided if stupid aswell. Vicky and kitty are the main ones defending him but they agree he's not perfect!

This forum is having a bad day! [/rquote]

Him not being perfect is the biggest understatement of the year. I've used the cheating card about 3 times already but how can anyone, and especially women, still like him after that?[/rquote]

People say that Siavash fans say he is perfect which we don't at all. We know he has his faults like everyone! Perfect is the word that people say that Siavash fans think he is

[setanta]

[rquote=2527682&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer][rquote=2527670&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis][rquote=2527639&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer]Anti Siavash fans are ridiculous. I dislike Charlie but I don't go into every thread complaining about him.

And this myth that Siavash fans are completely one sided if stupid aswell. Vicky and kitty are the main ones defending him but they agree he's not perfect!

This forum is having a bad day! [/rquote]

Him not being perfect is the biggest understatement of the year. I've used the cheating card about 3 times already but how can anyone, and especially women, still like him after that?[/rquote]

People say that Siavash fans say he is perfect which we don't at all. We know he has his faults like everyone! Perfect is the word that people say that Siavash fans think he is[/rquote]

So if he's not honourable and he has a gameplan, what do you see in him?

[MissKittyFantastico]

[rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2527695&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527682&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer][rquote=2527670&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis][rquote=2527639&tid=145656&author=LethalDealer]Anti Siavash fans are ridiculous. I dislike Charlie but I don't go into every thread complaining about him.

And this myth that Siavash fans are completely one sided if stupid aswell. Vicky and kitty are the main ones defending him but they agree he's not perfect!

This forum is having a bad day! [/rquote]

Him not being perfect is the biggest understatement of the year. I've used the cheating card about 3 times already but how can anyone, and especially women, still like him after that?[/rquote]

People say that Siavash fans say he is perfect which we don't at all. We know he has his faults like everyone! Perfect is the word that people say that Siavash fans think he is[/rquote]

So if he's not honourable and he has a gameplan, what do you see in him?[/rquote]

I have enjoyed watching his journey in the house.

He has had funny moments/quotes and such.

He is very laidback, which is a quality I love in people.

And I just like him...he seems a nice guy.

Yes to this you will say 'but how can he be a nice guy cheating on his girlfriend'...I believe that humans make mistakes, and I would almost guarantee that most blokes with a girlfriend they had only been seeing a month, thrown in the BB house, in with a chance with someone like noirin, would go for it. Not that that makes it right, but people do make mistakes, if they didnt they are not human...

[CrashDavis]

[rquote=2527663&tid=145656&author=VickyJ][rquote=2527642&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis][rquote=2527605&tid=145656&author=VickyJ][rquote=2527584&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis]
Sorry I dont spend my days reading all of your posts on here, I was just confused by you vehemently defending a man who cheated on his girlfriend on live tv.

He would literally be the worst winner of BB ever. Its funny how Kris gets slated on here for allegedly seeing someone else outside the house and yet Siavash does it right in front of us and he still has a huge following..... Mind Boggling
[/rquote]

Ive never defended him for cheating on his girlfriend..at all. I was one of the first to criticise, actually.

Yet silly things like this, yes I will defend, people seem to think he is some kind of evil mastermind.[/rquote]

Maybe we're seeing things in Siavash that aren't there because we cant stand him, but are you honestly saying you cant see a hint of a gameplan?[/rquote]

Again, I didnt say this.

I know fine well that he has a gameplan.

As does everyone in the house, possibly with the exception of david, and maybe rodrigo.[/rquote]

I never said you did! I was asking a Siavash fan if they can see his gameplan. And i think your probably the only one who can see his gameplan.

Last year we had a boring winner, this year we could have a cheater. Sad demise for BB UK.

[Vicky.]

Plus, in my eyes, he is the best of the bad bunch that we are left with.

I originally wanted freddie to win, then marcus.

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2527724&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis]


Last year we had a boring winner, this year we could have a cheater. Sad demise for BB UK. [/rquote]

I doubt he will win to be honest. I think it is sophies for the taking now.

[setanta]

[rquote=2527713&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.[/rquote]

But I'm not closeminded at all.... I see what he's doing in there. You think not nominating was a spur of the moment thing when he continued to do it for weeks on end? You think the martyr act is just a kinda spontaneous reaction to the suffering he's had to endure? You think he decided to kiss Noirin on a whim? The only thing that was spontaneous was the giving it all away to charity which was a shameless attempt at gaining support and crucifying the rest, on the very day he realised he was up against Marcus for eviction.

A champion gameplayer who'll pŁss over Big Brother and the rest of the housemates to get what he wants. This guy does not deserve to win this show.

[MissKittyFantastico]

[rquote=2527742&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527713&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.[/rquote]

But I'm not closeminded at all.... I see what he's doing in there. You think not nominating was a spur of the moment thing when he continued to do it for weeks on end? You think the martyr act is just a kinda spontaneous reaction to the suffering he's had to endure? You think he decided to kiss Noirin on a whim? The only thing that was spontaneous was the giving it all away to charity which was a shameless attempt at gaining support and crucifying the rest.

A champion gameplayer who'll pŁss over Big Brother and the rest of the housemates to get what he wants. This guy does not deserve to win this show.[/rquote]

I never said any of those things were spur of the moment. I was talking about the picking of the parts for the task tonight. Which you seem to think was some pre meditated part of his plan to take over the whole show. You see him as being a martyr, I disagree. The nominating thing yes was a conscious decision, never said it wasn't, same with the Noirin thing. Yes he has a gameplan, never said he didn't. But I guess even with saying all this, which I have said on many other occasions, you're still going to come back and say I'm blinded by lust right?

[setanta]

[rquote=2527777&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527742&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527713&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.[/rquote]

But I'm not closeminded at all.... I see what he's doing in there. You think not nominating was a spur of the moment thing when he continued to do it for weeks on end? You think the martyr act is just a kinda spontaneous reaction to the suffering he's had to endure? You think he decided to kiss Noirin on a whim? The only thing that was spontaneous was the giving it all away to charity which was a shameless attempt at gaining support and crucifying the rest.

A champion gameplayer who'll pŁss over Big Brother and the rest of the housemates to get what he wants. This guy does not deserve to win this show.[/rquote]

I never said any of those things were spur of the moment. I was talking about the picking of the parts for the task tonight. Which you seem to think was some pre meditated part of his plan to take over the whole show. You see him as being a martyr, I disagree. The nominating thing yes was a conscious decision, never said it wasn't, same with the Noirin thing. Yes he has a gameplan, never said he didn't. But I guess even with saying all this, which I have said on many other occasions, you're still going to come back and say I'm blinded by lust right? [/rquote]

Nah, just blind to this guy.

[King Gizzard]

[MissKittyFantastico]

[rquote=2527789&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527777&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527742&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527713&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.[/rquote]

But I'm not closeminded at all.... I see what he's doing in there. You think not nominating was a spur of the moment thing when he continued to do it for weeks on end? You think the martyr act is just a kinda spontaneous reaction to the suffering he's had to endure? You think he decided to kiss Noirin on a whim? The only thing that was spontaneous was the giving it all away to charity which was a shameless attempt at gaining support and crucifying the rest.

A champion gameplayer who'll pŁss over Big Brother and the rest of the housemates to get what he wants. This guy does not deserve to win this show.[/rquote]

I never said any of those things were spur of the moment. I was talking about the picking of the parts for the task tonight. Which you seem to think was some pre meditated part of his plan to take over the whole show. You see him as being a martyr, I disagree. The nominating thing yes was a conscious decision, never said it wasn't, same with the Noirin thing. Yes he has a gameplan, never said he didn't. But I guess even with saying all this, which I have said on many other occasions, you're still going to come back and say I'm blinded by lust right? [/rquote]

Nah, just blind to this guy.[/rquote]

Ok then.

[setanta]

[rquote=2527795&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527789&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527777&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527742&tid=145656&author=setanta][rquote=2527713&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527662&tid=145656&author=setanta]

And you're ignoring everything I'm saying. So what's the point. I've never called anything you've said pish or BS, I've just shown a different view. How can I be biased when I openly have admitted the guys faults? I've even admitted he probably has a game plan, so fecking what? It doesn't mean that every litttle miniscule thing he does in there is with his mind on the game does it? Same with all of them.

Anyway you get your wish, I'm giving up on this ridiculousness because some of you are hellbent on seeing the worse and slating everything.[/rquote]

Nope, you called it bull and raised your eyes on numerous occasions over the last few days becuz I had the audacity to highlight Siavash's manipulation and deceitfulness. Everyone has a gameplan, true, but his is always on his mind and he's pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes with his act. And it is an act, on a par with Charlies. And tonight was a scam on his part, whether you like to see it or not.[/rquote]

And again you are claiming YOUR way of thinking to be true. Based on the fact that in YOUR mind, everything the guy does in that house ties in with his gameplan. You refuse to even consider for one minute that it may have been a spur of the moment thing. It's truly baffling to me. But so be it. And I've never called it bull what you've said at all I have always just put forward a different argument. Stop telling people they are in the wrong just because you think what you say is right. None of us are mind readers, just not all of us are so close minded.[/rquote]

But I'm not closeminded at all.... I see what he's doing in there. You think not nominating was a spur of the moment thing when he continued to do it for weeks on end? You think the martyr act is just a kinda spontaneous reaction to the suffering he's had to endure? You think he decided to kiss Noirin on a whim? The only thing that was spontaneous was the giving it all away to charity which was a shameless attempt at gaining support and crucifying the rest.

A champion gameplayer who'll pŁss over Big Brother and the rest of the housemates to get what he wants. This guy does not deserve to win this show.[/rquote]

I never said any of those things were spur of the moment. I was talking about the picking of the parts for the task tonight. Which you seem to think was some pre meditated part of his plan to take over the whole show. You see him as being a martyr, I disagree. The nominating thing yes was a conscious decision, never said it wasn't, same with the Noirin thing. Yes he has a gameplan, never said he didn't. But I guess even with saying all this, which I have said on many other occasions, you're still going to come back and say I'm blinded by lust right? [/rquote]

Nah, just blind to this guy.[/rquote]

Ok then. [/rquote]

You are though. You want a douche to win.... a guy who's pi$$ed over housemates and Big Brother to get what he wants. A guy who's cheated. A guy who's played every trick he can, including the charity and martyr card, to gain support. And you still want him to win. That is so worrying.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

I don't see why people think Siavash is cheating becuase he has a gameplan,it's a GAME!!!!! If they class nominations as cheating then it's pathetic as then only Rodrigo and David would be eligible.

Siavash is a nice guy!! He made a big mistake with his gf but he clearly regrets it!

[MissKittyFantastico]

[rquote=2527807&tid=145656&author=setanta]

You are though. You want a douche to win.... a guy who's pi$$ed over housemates and Big Brother to get what he wants. A guy who's cheated. A guy who's played every trick he can, including the charity and martyr card, to gain support. And you still want him to win. That is so worrying.[/rquote]

Why is it worrying to you? I'm just another FM with a different opinion to yours. You're not my moral guardian or anything else. If I get proved to be wrong about someone of whom I've had limited viewing, never going to know in 'real life' and whose mind I can't read, as nor can you, then it's not going to be the death knell on my moral judgment is it? Not going to ruin my life or anyone elses. Jeez.

[Den]

Over the years I have grown tiried of Big Brother and its presenters in particular Devina (who is no where as clever as she thinks) manipulating the situation to get the winner they want. What is the point of a paid vote if individuals are portrayed in an obviously distorted fashion which then influence the outcome? On occasions BB vilify those they do not like for example Makosi(BB6)and turn others into heroes who are sometimes vile and manipulative like themselves eg Marcus the psyco.
Leave Noirin alone, she did no worse than Sara(BB9) who was a blatant ***** tease who was then nicely ‘positioned’ to win Ł25K last year.
Leave Siavash alone, he is a genuine, fair guy with bags of personality. And in my opinion currently the most deservining to win of this year crop. BB need to stop trying to blacken his character and select clips etc to show him in a bad light. Be fair enough is enough!
BB's cruely portrayed the lovely Katt last year as a winging attention seeker just because they realised she was in a position to win. Devina the spiteful cow then enjoyed humiliating her by dragging her out unprepared in her dressing gown for her eviction.
Some of us can see through you Devina and think it is time to stop your biases!!! It was obvious that the stylist costume was designed with Siavash in mind to damage his sense of style. That went wrong. It was dummy spitting Charlie who looked the twat in that get up.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

I dislike Davina, people think she's gods gift. She really isn't!

[CrashDavis]

[rquote=2527831&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527807&tid=145656&author=setanta]

You are though. You want a douche to win.... a guy who's pi$$ed over housemates and Big Brother to get what he wants. A guy who's cheated. A guy who's played every trick he can, including the charity and martyr card, to gain support. And you still want him to win. That is so worrying.[/rquote]

Why is it worrying to you? I'm just another FM with a different opinion to yours. You're not my moral guardian or anything else. If I get proved to be wrong about someone of whom I've had limited viewing, never going to know in 'real life' and whose mind I can't read, as nor can you, then it's not going to be the death knell on my moral judgment is it? Not going to ruin my life or anyone elses. Jeez. [/rquote]

So say if his girlfriend on the outside was one of your friends, you'd still want him to win?

[setanta]

[rquote=2527831&tid=145656&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2527807&tid=145656&author=setanta]

You are though. You want a douche to win.... a guy who's pi$$ed over housemates and Big Brother to get what he wants. A guy who's cheated. A guy who's played every trick he can, including the charity and martyr card, to gain support. And you still want him to win. That is so worrying.[/rquote]

Why is it worrying to you? I'm just another FM with a different opinion to yours. You're not my moral guardian or anything else. If I get proved to be wrong about someone of whom I've had limited viewing, never going to know in 'real life' and whose mind I can't read, as nor can you, then it's not going to be the death knell on my moral judgment is it? Not going to ruin my life or anyone elses. Jeez. [/rquote]

Why is it so worrying to you that we see things that you wouldn't like to be exposed to concerning his gameplan? Why is it frustrating to you that we highlight certain tactics of his? Why did you feel the need to respond to my first comment that wasn't directed towards you at all in the first place?

Don't give me that it's only a game rubbish and to lighten up stuff. I'm not blinkered by favouritism here and I can see exactly what he's doing. Totally within my rights to highlight them.

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2527875&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis]
So say if his girlfriend on the outside was one of your friends, you'd still want him to win?[/rquote]

That has nothing to do with anything.

She is not her friend(that i know of), so what difference does that make?

[CrashDavis]

[rquote=2527882&tid=145656&author=VickyJ][rquote=2527875&tid=145656&author=CrashDavis]
So say if his girlfriend on the outside was one of your friends, you'd still want him to win?[/rquote]

That has nothing to do with anything.

She is not her friend(that i know of), so what difference does that make?[/rquote]

What are you talking about?? its a hypothetical question to show what people who actually know the guy would think of him right now..... how do you not get that?

[setanta]

So say if his girlfriend on the outside was one of your friends, you'd still want him to win?[/rquote]

Bloody excellent question Crash that really highlights peoples blinkered view of this guy. And it has alot to do with it Vicky.

[Vicky.]

How does it highlight peoples blinkered view?

The fact that they may feel differently if they knew his girlfriend?

So basically we should all hate him because he cheated on a girl he had been with a month? (who evidently does not seem bothered, if anything she seems thrilled because it has got her some publicity.) Thats what you are saying...

[CrashDavis]

[rquote=2527938&tid=145656&author=VickyJ]How does it highlight peoples blinkered view?

The fact that they may feel differently if they knew his girlfriend?

So basically we should all hate him because he cheated on a girl he had been with a month? (who evidently does not seem bothered, if anything she seems thrilled because it has got her some publicity.) Thats what you are saying...[/rquote]

You seem to be forgetting the LIVE NATIONAL TELLY bit and how embarrassed he is about the whole thing. Doesnt matter how shes taking it, some women take things differently but he is the one who said he had a girlfriend.

So i threw out a hypothetical question that somehow you dont understand.

So yes that is exactly what i am saying.