[lime]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just watched the video of the Israeli troops sliding down ropes to get on-board and then being attacked violently by a baying mob with iron bars and clubs, some being thrown overside.

not nice. no wonder the Israelis opened fire, they had to to save lives.

Was this a full unedited video or the video that the IDF released?

[Claymores]

In 1973 on Yom Kippur, the Arabs launched an offensive to get the Palestinians territory back. America provided satellite intelligence and military advisors to Isreal. (and bankrolled the war)

Arab countries now know better than to attack as USA just wins.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Oh the poor little commandos, armed to the teeth, trained to kill. How many of them died btw?

watch the video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lime

Was this a full unedited video or the video that the IDF released?

full

[Claymores]

America will show the full truth soon LT - the brave Isrealis mounted a heavily armed gunboat bringing missiles in, not humanitarian aid. CNN will show the AK47s these bastwards were using.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it is not just as innocent a situation as it seems. there are some gullible westerners on the boats

[lime]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

full

Link please

[lime]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

full

Link please.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it is not just as innocent a situation as it seems. there are some gullible westerners on the boats

A holocaust survivor was coming in with the humaitarian aid - MOSAD/Isreali commandos still decided to shoot their way in, in international waters

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lime

Link please.

it was on liveleak but has been disabled. If you search around it will pop up again, all over the place i would imagine

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel releases footage of weapons haul found on Gaza peace ship

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0pcbgDWDl

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[Claymores]

Piracy and murders in international waters.............UFFFFF

Get these murderers into war crimes tribuneral

[Claymores]

I think Isreal was probably correct - the boats were full of WMD - bricks to throw at the Abrahams M1 tanks destroying their homes.

USA suppoerts this, we're complicit by not insisting the hundreds of UN resolutions are not imposed against that gangsta state called Isreal

[Shasown]

If Israel didnt have an internationally condemned blockade of the Gaza strip which is in effect slowly starving the Palestinians there would be no need for International Aid to be sent into the area.

The UN have asked Israel to lift the blockade, Israel refused.
The UN states that the aid Israel allows into Gaza is actually less than 1/4 needed to stop the people living there from starving, Israel says tough.
The UN also accepts that Israel has in the past taken over areas already ceded to the Palestinians in previous peace treaties. Israel doesnt care. That is the reason Hamas is still active.

Conclusion Israel intends to starve the people living in Gaza either into extinction or until they force them to leave the area totally. Isnt that genocide and as such a crime against humanity.

We have blockade runners taking in food and building supplies. Israel mounts an operation to seize control of the vessels being used, on the high seas. An act of piracy, pure and simple. Article 51 of the UN charter does not give them the right to mount operations such as these until the vessels are within Israeli territorial waters.

The people on the ships although intending to break a blockade hadnt done so nor were they in Israeli waters, They have a right to defend themselves against the commandos, who were attempting to take control of the vessel illegally.

Now lets look at the Israeli operation, they used special forces to assault ships but failed big time, in order to establish a foothold on any enemy territory the initial assault needs to be fast and of sufficient scale to establish a safe area from which you can build up sufficient forces to a level where you can break out and gain control of the vital areas(key points) of the vessel namely the control room(bridge) and engine room. Or as they hoped a small team in fast to seize the bridge, however it would have to be a very co ordinated assault. The Israeli operation wasnt.

Once the troops who were to all extents special forces got bogged down in their assault they should have used non lethal means to defend themselves till there was sufficient numbers to regain the initiative in their assault. They are trained in unarmed combat and they do have access to non lethal weapons. They didnt, they started to open fire, this indicates either poorly disciplined troops or a badly led operation. The second indication is my guess.

What should happen is the International community should break the blockade supervised by the UN. Israel agreed to the setting up of the Palestinian enclaves, they should stand by that agreement. They havent.

The UN should once again send in peacekeeping forces to ensure that both sides observe a ceasefire. If Israel disagrees to that then sanctions should be enforced against Israel.

That wont happen because America supports Israel and needs its friendship.

The Israelis will wait out the international uproar and continue to do what they want. The slow starvation and destruction of the Palestinian communities. They always have and they always will do.

[setanta]

Yeah, that sounds logical. They ballsed up an illegal operation.

[Claymores]

Wise words shas - USA will always support whatever crimes the Isrealis commit - UN have passed many resolutions against them but never enforce as we're under the influence of the only superpowe who could actually take action.r

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Israel releases footage of weapons haul found on Gaza peace ship

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0pcbgDWDl

I noticed they didnt display the assault rifles, machine guns, pistols tear gas and other grenades carried by their pirates?

I notice from the article you linked to that after a 12 hour sitting the UN condemned the attack.

[Sticks]

Gaza, under Hamas is a terrorist state aimed at the complete annihilation and elimination of Israel

Under article 51 of the UN charter Israel is entitled to do what ever it takes and use all means to defend it's people.

It has the right to blockade Gaza and restrict supplies to prevent attacks on it's people. Israel has the right to take military action against those supporters of terrorism that were in those ships up to and including deadly force.

That is international law.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I noticed they didnt display the assault rifles, machine guns, pistols tear gas and other grenades carried by their pirates?

I notice from the article you linked to that after a 12 hour sitting the UN condemned the attack.

I tell you true Terry - MOSAD will have been busy throwing Aid Relief into the Med and replacing the cargo with AK-47s

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Gaza, under Hamas is a terrorist state aimed at the complete annihilation and elimination of Israel

And Israel has proved it is dedicated to the destruction of all Palestinians regardless of whether they support Hamas or not.

Originally Posted by Sticks

Under article 51 of the UN charter Israel is entitled to do what ever it takes and use all means to defend it's people.

No it must comply with the Geneva Convention, The Law of Armed Conflcit, UN Security Councils and other UN Resolutions also a whole host of other UN articles which take precedence over Article 51.

Originally Posted by Sticks

It has the right to blockade Gaza and restrict supplies to prevent attacks on it's people. Israel has the right to take military action against those supporters of terrorism that were in those ships up to and including deadly force.

That is international law.

Yes but under other UN Articles which are more binding and take higher priority it has the obligations to ensure non combatants do not suffer unnecessarily whilst it conducts military operations against a designated enemy.

It does not have the right to decide arbitrarily what it will and wont allow into Gaza even though the UN has in the past given a complete list of Foodstuffs, Water and water filtration systems, blankets, shelters, building materials etc that must be allowed in.

It does not have the right to starve the Palestinian people into either submission nor extinction.

Lets face it Israel doesnt care about Internation Law, Human Rights, etc and it doesnt listen to either the UN or the International Community at large.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by InOne

I agree. The only thing that annoys me is the 'Muslim outrage' that will probably hit the UK. And they basically use the 'protests' to insult anyone who is not a muslim. And we let them.

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

Get real!

You do not believe.. not for 1 second... you do not believe that they were 'Pirates' or 'Murderers'.

You know full well that the reason the Israelis stopped this boat was because they did believe it was entering their waters,
and,
they did believe (rightly or wrongly) this boat was carrying illegal weapons, illegal cash and terrorist supporters,
and,
they stopped it with every hope and intention of arresting those involved and confiscating the weapons.

Nobody believes Israelis were just marauding the ocean and decided to pirate this boat or start 'murdering' anyone.

I think the Jews are extremely unhappy about this because this is the last thing they ever want anyone to see,
but,
they WERE hoping they would not only find a big cache of weapons intended for terrorists,
and,
to look very cool marching off with a few known terrorist types in handcuffs.

But nobody thinks they were pirating that boat and certainly not there to murder anyone.

In this case - I don't believe THIS boat was shipping weapons to terrorists (unless we see more later),
and,
so far I haven't heard any 'big names' in terms of who they arrested or killed although lets see.

Here again the Palestinian side loses all my support by playing a propaganda game which assumed we are all stupid and gullible.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

I'm talking about how a 'peaceful' religion suddenly becomes violent.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Get real!

You do not believe.. not for 1 second... you do not believe that they were 'Pirates' or 'Murderers'.

You know full well that the reason the Israelis stopped this boat was because they did believe it was entering their waters,
and,
they did believe (rightly or wrongly) this boat was carrying illegal weapons, illegal cash and terrorist supporters,
and,
they stopped it with every hope and intention of arresting those involved and confiscating the weapons.

Nobody believes Israelis were just marauding the ocean and decided to pirate this boat or start 'murdering' anyone.

I think the Jews are extremely unhappy about this because this is the last thing they ever want anyone to see,
but,
they WERE hoping they would not only find a big cache of weapons intended for terrorists,
and,
to look very cool marching off with a few known terrorist types in handcuffs.

But nobody thinks they were pirating that boat and certainly not there to murder anyone.

In this case - I don't believe THIS boat was shipping weapons to terrorists (unless we see more later),
and,
so far I haven't heard any 'big names' in terms of who they arrested or killed although lets see.

Here again the Palestinian side loses all my support by playing a propaganda game which assumed we are all stupid and gullible.

Nah I think you need to "get real" as you put it, last week all the boats were inspected by Cypriot authorities, its something they do when vessels from another country dock or even lay over in their waters, something lots of countries do.

Similarly when the boats were loaded they were loaded under an inspection team, from Turkish customs, Turkey was relatively friendly with Israel until fairly recently.

You honestly believe that Mossad didnt honestly know exactly what was on each vessel, if they didnt they are really slipping, they are without doubt the best intelligence operatives in the world. It wouldnt surprise to learn in a few months or years time they even had operatives in amongst the crews or the blockade busters.

You will notice I use the words 'boats' and 'vessels' whereas you use the singular "boat" "this Boat" etc at least 7 times in the above post. Just to correct your misapprehension the relief florilla consisted of 6 ships not one boat.

Incidentally the boats were not entering Israeli territorial waters they were over 3 hours sailing from that. And regardless of what you now think of Israeli forces it was no map reading error, they have some of the best equipment money can buy, plus they are one of the few other countries that have full access to the US military Sat Nav systems.

The Israeli national mindset isnt looking to be seen as cool, they just do what they want, what they consider necessary to achieve their aims, legal or not. Look at the assassination of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai earlier this year.