[arista]

ITV London Local News
confirmed around 30 Students arrested and being held
inside the Lobby
and will soon be charged.

[BOOSH]

Hmmmm.. yeah they smashed windows and stuff but the way the news are saying it is as if they went around shooting people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by BOOSH

Hmmmm.. yeah they smashed windows and stuff but the way the news are saying it is as if they went around shooting people.

Thugs attacking all those working there
is not what this Demo was about.


The Mayor of London just said
the Protest before this was good
and those Thigs will now face the full face of the Law.

[Judas]

[QUOTE=arista;3904470]Thugs attacking all those working there
is not what this Demo was about.

[QUOTE]
Slightly off topic, but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase?

[ange7]

plastic

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Live on all media.

I was watching on SkyNewsHD
and a Thug - Criminal -Student Lad smashed the thick window
in Millbank and then to my Horror
a Female Student rammed a Stick in it.

They don't deserve any help if that is the way they act,what a shame they have tarred the protest which started off peacefully.idiots.

[Beastie]

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

[ange7]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

getting your voice heard is a win situation. A life full of apathy and regrets is a lose situation. I life where you resent the fact that your tax dollars are helping kids getting an education is a lose lose situation. Wishing that student pay for a uni education and thereby ensuring only the wealthiest kids get that education is, on a broader social level, a lose to the power of lose situation.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I do think it's a lot of money paying 9 grand a year to do a degree course. Therefore it will cost you 27 grand when you have finished the course. (This is on average)

I don't blame the protesters. However suppose there are plenty of people at uni who should not be there. However it is so hard to get a job. I would have gone to university if I couldn't find a job which I was really lucky to get.

It is a lose lose situation!

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by angus58

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

"f students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime"

and therefore paying buckets loads of tax AND providing services that society need. The tax that they will pay far outweighs the cost of the education. Tax payer wins...what are you moaning about? This point has been already made. Please read the post before making old points.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by angus58

If students actually study useful and worthwhile courses, they will be sought after by employers and will be earning well in excess of the average wage during their lifetime, so it is up to the students concerned not to waste their time (and money) studying useless and pointless subjects for degrees that no employer wants. If they persist in doing so, for whatever reasons (usually because it's a soft option) that's their tough luck.

True. They said Students who study "Art" won't be earning much in the long run or something? But if you study something like "Maths" you will possibly earn a lot of money! Depending on your degree grade. If you just scrape a 2:2 or something you will be struggling to find a decent paid job when another graduate with a 2:1 or a 1st will be competing for the same job too!

However if you are good at Art you might as well be self employed. Draw and paint your own pictures/canvases and sell them off. You could end up earning a few hundered quid for each one.

However Angus.. If people don't choose to go to uni.. they will try and find a job in which there is limited amount of jobs going. There is also limited amount of apprentices going nowadays.

Also on the worthwhile degree courses they can only take so many people!

A lot of people are going to miss out and will end up on the dole taking ages to try and find a job or something!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by thebeast

True. They said Students who study "Art" won't be earning much in the long run or something? But if you study something like "Maths" you will possibly earn a lot of money! Depending on your degree grade. If you just scrape a 2:2 or something you will be struggling to find a decent paid job when another graduate with a 2:1 or a 1st will be competing for the same job too!

However if you are good at Art you might as well be self employed. Draw and paint your own pictures/canvases and sell them off. You could end up earning a few hundered quid for each one.

However Angus.. If people don't choose to go to uni.. they will try and find a job in which there is limited amount of jobs going. There is also limited amount of apprentices going nowadays.

Also on the worthwhile degree courses they can only take so many people!

A lot of people are going to miss out and will end up on the dole taking ages to try and find a job or something!

As I said on another thread, my 21 year old son is streets ahead on the career ladder, having opted NOT to go to uni after his A levels, and most of his mates who have recently graduated are still unemployed. Seems that sometimes the university of life is a much better option.

[Barbie]

Originally Posted by angus58

As I said on another thread, my 21 year old son is streets ahead on the career ladder, having opted NOT to go to uni after his A levels, and most of his mates who have recently graduated are still unemployed. Seems that sometimes the university of life is a lot a much better option.

I think it is a better option, i decided to go to uni, but i know loads of graduates who don't have a job or are in a dead end job. Whereas in a year one of my friends is now a manager at a retail store and ready to be promoted further up the chain. Her life is pretty much set now, whereas mine is still in limbo. Considering leaving uni and going out into the world of work.

[arista]

"but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase? "

There is no other way
and the poor are not paying that much.

Labour , if in power, would carry on with Trident
so no other money is there.

[Judas]

Originally Posted by arista

"but out of interest arista what are your views on the tuition fee increase? "

There is no other way
and the poor are not paying that much.

Labour , if in power, would carry on with Trident
so no other money is there.

Sticking to party line I see! The money is there though... the current system can be afforded, even if the Cons do what to get rid of the deficit as soon as they plan.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

Sticking to party line I see! The money is there though... the current system can be afforded, even if the Cons do what to get rid of the deficit as soon as they plan.

We are in a Conservative-LibDem Power , first off.
And under current plans to rid us of the massive Labour Debt
and Interest we have to pay on it, there is no other way.

Nick Clegg &
David Cameron are doing better for us all.


You do not know it yet.

[arista]

Ch4 News is on now

[arista]

SkyNews just confirmed 32 students arrested.

[Beso]

Smash the system!

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Smash the system!

Yes - But you need Men for that.
Not Kids

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes - But you need Men for that.
Not Kids

Never a truer word. Where do these students get their misplaced sense of entitlement from FFS? It's always someone else who is expected to pick up the tab. Not a good idea to get yourself a criminal record before you've even got your degree

[Beso]

Originally Posted by angus58

Never a truer word. Where do these students get their misplaced sense of entitlement from FFS? It's always someone else who is expected to pick up the tab. Not a good idea to get yourself a criminal record before you've even got your degree

I blame that alan davies programme about him growing up in the 80's

[arista]

Well Done Ch4 News Live
telling the NUS Leader Porter, in the studio,
that No Student Pays Up Front.

[Judas]

Originally Posted by arista

Well Done Ch4 News Live
telling the NUS Leader Porter, in the studio,
that No Student Pays Up Front.

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Judas

No, instead we pay for 60 years for trying to better ourselves and generally give back to society.

It is really arrogant to suggest that only people with degrees "give back to society" - there are plenty of hardworking, contributing citizens who are indispensible to society who either never had the opportunity to go to university, or prudently decided not to do so and instead go straight out to work.