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Ramsay · 17-07-2011, 07:00 PM

ive tried so many times to quit and have failed miserably every time..mostly when im drunk and out
wish i never started
but meh if people wanna smoke go ahead its their life ..who do the 'anti-smokers' think they are telling someone what they can or cant do
damn i want a fag now

Stu · 17-07-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yeah, hardly anybody dies or gets serious disabilities due to incessant smoking.

And... wasting my life by not smoking? Do you actually read what you type before you post?

Come on man live life to the max! Don't bother with feeling fit or seeing the world or any of the other hundreds of thousands of amazing things the universe has to offer. You're really not getting the most from it unless you know that feeling of hanging out the window first thing in the morning packing nicotine into your system.

I mean you could be waiting for the bus or you could be smoking whilst waiting for the bus. Serious buzz.

Alf · 17-07-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

To be fair he never said he doesn't smoke because people think it's wrong. He doesn't smoke because of the health concequences. Same reason I'm in a neverending process of trying to quit.

Anti smokers annoy the hell out of me too but I know I'm being very dickish when I'm smoking. I used to love these 'you only get one life' arguments too but they are complete fodder. What like you have to smoke to enjoy this one life or something?

All this B.S. about living life to the max, mannnn. What you need tobacco for that? All it does is temporarily give you the sensation of relaxation and stress reduction non smokers enjoy all the time. A cigarette doesn't make you feel better after a meal. It just makes you feel normal like every non smoker at the table. It's called addiction. It fills an insivible hole for about half an hour.

Again I can't stand the anti smoking brigade - people can smoke all they want - but at the same time I'm long, long past my youthful rebellion days of smoking apologetics. It's a fucking retarded habit.

yeah i do believe trying things, cigs, booze, drugs, gambling or whatever makes you happy is living your life in a much more productive way than not trying but still having an opinion on them things.
and i agree i'd like to stop one day, but when i'm good and ready, not when other people say so

Stu · 17-07-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wannashag

yeah i do believe trying things, cigs, booze, drugs, gambling or whatever makes you happy is living your life in a much more productive way than not trying but still having an opinion on them things.
and i agree i'd like to stop one day, but when i'm good and ready, not when other people say so

I agree on everything but cigarettes there. Gambling can be a wild ride and psychoactive drugs get you out of it. Cigarettes ... yeah ... they are something in life to try but they don't really contribute anything other than vast sums of taxes to shady governments, vast sums of profit to companies who don't give a damn about your well being and poor health for the user.

All without even getting high. If weed was freely available nevermind booze ... people would see the serious pointlessness in cigarettes.

Pyramid* · 17-07-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

To be fair he never said he doesn't smoke because people think it's wrong. He doesn't smoke because of the health concequences. Same reason I'm in a neverending process of trying to quit.

Anti smokers annoy the hell out of me too but I know I'm being very dickish when I'm smoking. I used to love these 'you only get one life' arguments too but they are complete fodder. What like you have to smoke to enjoy this one life or something?

All this B.S. about living life to the max, mannnn. What you need tobacco for that? All it does is temporarily give you the sensation of relaxation and stress reduction non smokers enjoy all the time. A cigarette doesn't make you feel better after a meal. It just makes you feel normal like every non smoker at the table. It's called addiction. It fills an insivible hole for about half an hour.

Again I can't stand the anti smoking brigade - people can smoke all they want - but at the same time I'm long, long past my youthful rebellion days of smoking apologetics. It's a fucking retarded habit.

Of course you do not have to smoke to enjoy life - but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo.

Some people enjoy smoking. Yes enjoy it. It's not for you or anyone else to tell them they don't enjoy it.

I can't find the post where anyone has said having a smoke after a meal makes them feel better. I can see posts that say they enjoy, cherish etc, not I can't find one that says the person feels better?

I happen to know many people who will have a cigarette only once or twice a day - after a meal, or with a pint -and are lucky if they smoke 10 fags a week. That's not an addiction: that's enjoyment -and one that they chose.

To bang the 'no, it's an addiction' drum is folly. Every smoker is different.

And before you go reply to me with your standard "You are looking for an argument", I'll clarify that my post above is merely pointing out the salient inaccuracies, as I see them, within your reply that should be taken into consideration.

Stu · 17-07-2011, 07:13 PM

You might be trying too hard there Pyramid. My post was hardly going to apply to every smoker on the planet. Just the vast majority.

My post had nothing to do with anything Arista said either. I think we can all agree he is a bit ... yeah. I don't see why passive smoking is such a hot topic for someone who never leaves his flat.

Pyramid* · 17-07-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

You might be trying too hard there Pyramid. My post was hardly going to apply to every smoker on the planet. Just the vast majority.

My post had nothing to do with anything Arista said either. I think we can all agree he is a bit ... yeah. I don't see why passive smoking is such a hot topic for someone who never leaves his flat.

I don't need to try hard Stu. I don't believe I said that your post related to Arista. I merely added to the thrust of the discussion, that I felt Arista's view on smokers and what he would do, was OTT. I merely put up my thoughts on your reply.

I was also taking the time to point out that not everyone who choses to have a smoke - can be regarded as addicted.

Everything is relative.

.

arista · 17-07-2011, 07:22 PM

"but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo."

A Bit Much
Bollocks

Smoke is a Killer

Any Punk that Smokes in my Face gets Knocked Down.

Stu · 17-07-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't need to try hard Stu. I don't believe I said that your post related to Arista. I merely added to the thrust of the discussion, that I felt Arista's view on smokers and what he would do, was OTT. I merely put up my thoughts on your reply.

I was also taking the time to point out that not everyone who choses to have a smoke - can be regarded as addicted.

Everything is relative.

.

Well done.

InOne · 17-07-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

"but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo."

A Bit Much
Bollocks

Smoke is a Killer

Any Punk that Smokes in my Face gets Knocked Down.

arista · 17-07-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

Well done.

thanks Stu.

InOne · 17-07-2011, 07:25 PM

Arista you seem a little wound up so I bought you a hooker

arista · 17-07-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Arista you seem a little wound up so I bought you a hooker

I Ain't Wound that much up.

Iceman · 17-07-2011, 07:38 PM

I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down.

InOne · 17-07-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

I Ain't Wound that much up.

Fine I'll have her then

joeysteele · 17-07-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Of course you do not have to smoke to enjoy life - but to for Arista to respond to another poster (who said they would blow smoke 'in his way') - and Arista replying that he would knock that person down and arrest them (which begs the question: arrest them for what) - that's a bit much imo.

Some people enjoy smoking. Yes enjoy it. It's not for you or anyone else to tell them they don't enjoy it.

I can't find the post where anyone has said having a smoke after a meal makes them feel better. I can see posts that say they enjoy, cherish etc, not I can't find one that says the person feels better?

I happen to know many people who will have a cigarette only once or twice a day - after a meal, or with a pint -and are lucky if they smoke 10 fags a week. That's not an addiction: that's enjoyment -and one that they chose.

To bang the 'no, it's an addiction' drum is folly. Every smoker is different.

And before you go reply to me with your standard "You are looking for an argument", I'll clarify that my post above is merely pointing out the salient inaccuracies, as I see them, within your reply that should be taken into consideration.

I agree with you, the thread asks if smokers have rights, I say of course they do and you make full and valid points that show why it should remain so.