[Kizzy]

Just trying to lighten the mood pyra....Could get offended at your 'no better than benefit cheats' comment but I won't.
You could just as easily have said politicians who fiddle their expenses...
Thats fraud too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I will say it again Joey.

I did not suggest in any way, shape or form: that the household in which you live does not pay for a tv lic.

I asked very specifically how YOU contribute towards it - I also asked if you would pay for it when you were in a position to.

Oddly enough: both of very crucial points Joey appear to have been side stepped, not by me: but by you.

surprising to be honest that you are reading into comments,things that I simply have not said.

I am not sitting at Uni with nothing, I do quite a bit of things actually and I also have an allowance given to me from my late Grandmother, not that any of that is your business,it is even worse if you are insinuating I wouldn't be paying my share of the licence, what kind of person would I be if I didn't want to share expenses with my fellow housemates.

My income Pyramid, whatever it is.however I have it is actually none of your business anyway, far too intrusive questions and ones I wouldn't even dream of asking you.

Far from me reading into your comments things you say you haven't said. it seems more like to me that you cannot seem to read the comments you have said and the way you have said them too.
That's it I am off,you can talk to yourself now but I am offended by you and you are wrong Pyramid, words I never believed I would be saying to you ever.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Just trying to lighten the mood pyra....Could get offended at your 'no better than benefit cheats' comment but I won't.
You could just as easily have said politicians who fiddle their expenses...
Thats fraud too.

I know - but it is a serious debates thread and others are infracted for glib comments - just trying to factor in some consistency and all that.

I also agree wholeheartedly about politicians on the fiddle too.... but that's a whole different topic altother.

As for you taking offence: I'm not entirely sure why you (or anyone who doesn't pay their tv licence) should - as it is, technically a criminal offence to not pay up. I understand you and others not agreeing with it: I disgaree with your reason for refusing to pay though. That's the difference.

It's not really all that different from people who don't pay their car insurance, don't pay their car tax: the rise in cost of all these things is because of people who don't. It's entirely your choice to not pay - but that doesn't mean you or anyone else should take offence - because it is in effect: meaing others who do pay: have to pay more in the long wrong. I don't agree with that.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not sitting at Uni with nothing, I do quite a bit of things actually and I also have an allowance given to me from my late Grandmother, not that any of that is your business,it is even worse if you are insinuating I wouldn't be paying my share of the licence, what kind of person would I be if I didn't want to share expenses with my fellow housemates.

My income Pyramid, whatever it is.however I have it is actually none of your business anyway, far too intrusive questions and ones I wouldn't even dream of asking you.

Far from me reading into your comments things you say you haven't said. it seems more like to me that you cannot seem to read the comments you have said and the way you have said them too.
That's it I am off,you can talk to yourself now but I am offended by you and you are wrong Pyramid, words I never believed I would be saying to you ever.

I didn't ask what your income was Joey. I didn't suggest you were at Uni doing nothing.

I didn't ask about the whereabout of money you have.

I didn't say all students were wasters.

I didn't say your household did not pay for a tv lic - I asked how it came about that divvy up towards it.

Perhaps as I say: take less time taking offence - and a little more time reading what I wrote.

[MTVN]

Pyramid you also posted a non-serious comment didn't you?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You big ass criminal that you are. I hope this does not lead you down the path to utter ruination Kate.

[InOne]

I don't mind the BBC and do watch it a fair bit, also like their radio stations. I used to pay my TV licence by direct debit every month. Now I don't pay it at all.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Pyramid you also posted a non-serious comment didn't you?

Which one was that then?

the one about Kate not starting on the path to ruination? It's a fair point... one thing leads to another.

Or are you less interested in keeping the thread on topic - and more interesting in finding fault MTVN - rather than removing the posts which are more suited to Chat?

surely this could have been addressed via pm MTVN.

Or perhaps I should simply have reported Kate and Kizzy's comments.

If you prefer that I do that, that's fine. I was actually hoping that a mod would actually steer the topic back to it's serious dicussion theme....

[MTVN]

*sigh*

As you were, I can't be bothered getting into this Pyramid, I've made my point

[Pyramid*]

I have to laugh at those here who are admitting to not paying their tv licence - yet slag off programmes etc that the BBC show and how much they spend on thing such as The Voice and goodness knows what else.

It's very easy to complain when you don't pay for the service that you use.

[Kate!]

Stop talking billocks Pyra.

[InOne]

I'm pretty sure my mum pays it though. hehe

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

*sigh*

As you were, I can't be bothered getting into this Pyramid, I've made my point

Which point did you make MTVN.

My point was in fact on topic...... one act of non payment and getting away with it, could indeed give rise to avoiding other payments that many citizens pay....... the grin I used was to signify that I was not altogether serious that Kate was going to start dealing in Class A drugs or such like.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*;5157347
[B

I didn't ask what your income was Joey. I didn't suggest you were at Uni doing nothing.

I didn't ask about the whereabout of money you have.

I didn't say all students were wasters.

I didn't say your household did not pay for a tv lic - I asked how it came about that divvy up towards it.

Perhaps as I say: take less time taking offence - and a little more time reading what I wrote.

[/B]

Twist all you like Pyramid,you mentioned my income as to how could I pay for the licence,(you really have no right to mention such personal things anyway), you asked if I would pay the licence when on my own, you inferred you felt I did not pay my share of a licence now.I did read what you wrote and am insulted and greatly offended by the content.

You did and said those things, however, you are not big enough to admit you are wrong and apologise and retract that post as I have asked you to do twice now over the last hour.

Sadly that means I remain offended, nothing is resolved and you can therefore now have the last words as you like to have, even though those words are wrong ones.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'm pretty sure my mum pays it though. hehe

Given that you therefore are not the householder, nor responsible for the tv as such, that's not quite the same as not paying for it.

Your mum does.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Given that you therefore are not the householder, nor responsible for the tv as such, that's not quite the same as not paying for it.

Your mum does.

Which is what I just said...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

[/B]

Twist all you like Pyramid,you mentioned my income as to how could I pay for the licence,(you really have no right to mention such personal things anyway), you asked if I would pay the licence when on my own, you inferred you felt I did not pay my share of a licence now.I did read what you wrote and am insulted and greatly offended by the content.

You did and said those things, however, you are not big enough to admit you are wrong and apologise and retract that post as I have asked you to do twice now over the last hour.

Sadly that means I remain offended, nothing is resolved and you can therefore now have the last words as you like to have, even though those words are wrong ones.

Please show me exactly where I mentioned or asked you about your income. I did not ask you how you COULD pay for it. Please stick to what I said Joey - and not what you are misreading.


I asked do you specifically divvy up and throw x amount of money into a kitty..... that is not asking about how you get your money, it is not asking how you have money, where you get it from.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Which is what I just said...

which is what I confirmed as you saying.

[Kizzy]

I said I could get offended....I didn't say I was...
Why is it like benefit fraud as opposed to any other kind of fraud?...
Do you associate the avoidance to pay for this service with benefit claimants?

[Bollo]

I think the BBC on the whole make fairly decent programmes and although I have got a free TV licence for the last couple of years, I never begrudged paying it prior to that and I pay for sky so I have a variety of programmes to watch. To me TV is a luxury, not a necessity. People expect everything to be handed on a plate to them, rather than earning them

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Pyramid*;.

Also I asked how you contribute to the TV licence - a question. I did not call you a liar so please do not pretend to read something that I did not say Joey. Thanks.[/QUOTE]



You asked how I contributed to the licence, to contribute to it would have to come out of my income whatever that is, so asking how I contributed to the licence inferred what income have I got to do so.

I am now going out, just read your own posts Pyramid, if you think they are not offensive then fine.
It is though for the person the comments are made to to say if they are offended by them or not, not for you to say they shouldn't be.

Kindly ensure you make sure you do not question my integrity again, it is not nice and it's simply wrong.

[Omah]

I think it's brilliant and I think £145 for the BBC news and documentaries that I (predominantly) watch is superb value for money. BBC4 is just about my favourite channel with its' "themed" evenings and programs that appeal to the intellectual enquirer. Obviously, any Attenborough series is worth the licence fee on its own.

IMO, no other broadcaster comes close to the quality of BBC programming (in general), although C4 and C5 run the occasional (documentary) series that appeals to me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I said I could get offended....I didn't say I was...
Why is it like benefit fraud as opposed to any other kind of fraud?...
Do you associate the avoidance to pay for this service with benefit claimants?

Oh I'm not saying you personally were offended - I explained why I see no need for some to take offence if they admit to non payment. That's an indivual's personal choice: but it's not one I agree with for reasons I have mentioned throughout in various posts.

Benefit fraud - (and for the record: I don't mean those who rely on benefits in genuine cases - not the long term shirkers - which not everyone on benefits is)... I mean those who expect others to fork out for services that they use: but don't contribute to - or rather, feel it's fine for others to do so - as long as they benefit but don't have to pay for it.

It all comes from the same coffers in the long run - and comes from those who do pay - and who end up paying even more because of it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You asked how I contributed to the licence, to contribute to it would have to come out of my income whatever that is, so asking how I contributed to the licence inferred what income have I got to do so.

I am now going out, just read your own posts Pyramid, if you think they are not offensive then fine.
It is though for the person the comments are made to to say if they are offended by them or not, not for you to say they shouldn't be.

Kindly ensure you make sure you do not question my integrity again, it is not nice and it's simply wrong.

For goodness sake Joey - you have called me a liar time and time again on this thread and not once have you been able to back up anything that you have accused me of... you don't see me demanding apologies and retractions.


I didn't say students were wasters.

I didn't say you didn't pay for a lic.

I didn't ask where you got your money from.

I didn't ask how you make your income or from where it is generated.

I didn't say your household didn't have a tv lic.


If you say you contribute to a tv licence - you clearly have means to do so: that goes without saying. That is not the same as asking about where you get your money from. There is much twisting of words going on and it isn't from me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh I'm not saying you personally were offended - I explained why I see no need for some to take offence if they admit to non payment. That's an indivual's personal choice: but it's not one I agree with for reasons I have mentioned throughout in various posts.

Benefit fraud - (and for the record: I don't mean those who rely on benefits in genuine cases - not the long term shirkers - which not everyone on benefits is)... I mean those who expect others to fork out for services that they use: but don't contribute to - or rather, feel it's fine for others to do so - as long as they benefit but don't have to pay for it.

It all comes from the same coffers in the long run - and comes from those who do pay - and who end up paying even more because of it.

That is not the definition of benefit fraud...
Benefit Fraud is a criminal offence that occurs when somebody knowingly or dishonestly receives Benefit when they are not entitled to it.
Fails to tell us about a change in their circumstances;
Gives false information in relation to their claim;
Leaves out information from their claim

Thats benefit fraud.

This is not...
QUOTE:
David Laws, the former Liberal Democrat minister, being ordered to apologise for illicitly claiming more than £100,000 in expenses to pay his boyfriend.

Mr Laws, one of Nick Clegg’s most trusted allies, is to be suspended from the House of Commons for seven days. It is the most serious punishment yet handed to an MP by the parliamentary authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...es-system.html

7 days off...What a 'punishment'

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

That is not the definition of benefit fraud...
Benefit Fraud is a criminal offence that occurs when somebody knowingly or dishonestly receives Benefit when they are not entitled to it.
Fails to tell us about a change in their circumstances;
Gives false information in relation to their claim;
Leaves out information from their claim

Thats benefit fraud.

This is not...
QUOTE:
David Laws, the former Liberal Democrat minister, being ordered to apologise for illicitly claiming more than £100,000 in expenses to pay his boyfriend.

Mr Laws, one of Nick Clegg’s most trusted allies, is to be suspended from the House of Commons for seven days. It is the most serious punishment yet handed to an MP by the parliamentary authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...es-system.html

7 days off...What a 'punishment'

Not paying your TV licence is also a criminal offence.

Watching TV without a valid licence is a criminal offence. This can lead to prosecution, a court appearance and a fine of up to £1,000 (not including legal costs).

It is exactly the same as the very words you used yourself: non tv lic payers do receive a benefit that they knowing know that they are not entitled to. They are benefitting from a service which they are receiving dishonestly and knowingly doing so.

As per your own words above:

"when somebody knowingly or dishonestly receives Benefit when they are not entitled to it".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not paying your TV licence is also a criminal offence.




It is exactly the same as the very words you used yourself: non tv lic payers do receive a benefit that they knowing know that they are not entitled to. They are benefitting from a service which they are receiving dishonestly and knowingly doing so.

As per your own words above:

"when somebody knowingly or dishonestly receives Benefit when they are not entitled to it".

If you use your laptop via your neighbours wireless internet you are benefitting from a service ...Is that akin to benefit fraud?
I question your use of the term 'benefit fraud' as I feel you are suggesting that those fraudulently claiming benefits are the only ones who can be associated with this type of offence...
As I have proved it is across the social spectrum.... The politician in my quote had too benefitted from £100'000 of 'services'

Yet this is not a criminal offence...Why so?

Not so black and white is it (can you still get black and white licences?)