[Samuel.]

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.

[Tribal Spaceman]

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

[Tribal Spaceman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by the truth

this is all true and he rightly was booted out, but it also misses out crucial factors such as her role in escalating the situation...she should also be judged as her actions were pretty deplorable

Attempting to sexually engage someone that has been chasing you for a few weeks is not a deplorable act.

As haley had no idea that daley was capable of grabbing a girl by the throat and "nutting" her, then up until things got uncomfortable, she was escalating a sexual relationship with a friend. Nothing more.

Blaming a girl for flirting, both mentally and physically, with a guy, without the knowledge that he is capable of such actions, is wrong.

Haley is not responsible for daleys reactions, no more than dan is responsible for the crowds booing wolfie. Sure some of his comments annoyed her, but how she dealt with the situation is completely on her. Its the same for anyone

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

Pedantic really? People grab eachother by the throat and threaten to "nut them" whilst "courting" in your world, do they? ...............

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Not defending Daley, seems he was fairly kicked out, but if somebody has a different opinion on the situation they ".. need to seriously re-assess their life."? ... really?

Would've been branded as a ridiculous thread had someone lesser well liked posted it.

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by lily.

.. needs to seriously re-assess their life.

This

[Tribal Spaceman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They weren't actually having sex..............or never had

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

Love life, then. Don't be pedantic.

I guess you and your partner exchanging headbutts while making love is the norm?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

What on earth are you on about

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

If you've never grabbed someone by the throat whilst in bed with them, you must have a very boring sex life.

Im willing to bet most couples dont grab each other by the throat, force their partner into the pillows and threaten to "nut" them...

Especially couples that up to that point had never even shared a kiss. Never mind a sex life.

I cant imagine that any couples first "romantic" private moment involve physical abuse and threats of bodily harm.

And suggesting thst what we saw last night was, in anyway, "normal", well..

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

No you're wrong. People who've never even slept together don't generally break into that sort of role play without some sort of discussion about it first. This is real life not a porn film

[Tribal Spaceman]

No, you're completely wrong. This has been building up for weeks and the producers shouldn't have encouraged it.

I didn't say it was "normal", it's just not uncommon. Some of the things people get off on in a sexual way seriously baffle me, but I'm not going to judge them as we are all different.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Lily's popularity has nothing to do with this.

What Daley did was wrong, it's not something open to interpretation, like people having different opinions on a painting. This act, his threatening to headbutt her and jerking his forehead towards her face while she is pinned by his hand on her throat, is not acceptable in society.

People who condone it or try to justify it are in the wrong. If a thread like this helps people re-evaluate their stance on the subject then it's one of the best threads on the subject here.

I agree to an extent, but nobody on here has the right to tell people what they can or can not think about anything. Everything really is open to opinion.

Telling anybody they need to reassess their life is outrageous, especially over a Big Brother-related topic.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

No, you're completely wrong. This has been building up for weeks and the producers shouldn't have encouraged it.

I didn't say it was "normal", it's just not uncommon. Some of the things people get off on in a sexual way seriously baffle me, but I'm not going to judge them as we are all different.

People who are into role playing like that would discuss it first, you have to find out what peoples boundaries are before grabbing them by the neck and threatening to head butt them. It was quite clear Hazel was uncomfortable with that............as would most people. there's been sexual tension building up between them for sure but I don't see how the producers or anyone else could have predicted this turn of events

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Marc

What on earth are you on about

I would have thought it was obvious, you need to broaden your foreplay to include threatening behaviour, spice it up here and there with a head butt and a bucketload of abusive language. I hope you now know where you have been going wrong all these years

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Stankleberry

Yes, this is correct I think. She kept goading him further, she could have stopped the whole thing at any point. She loved it.

I've now concluded that you're a troll, she loved getting a man's hands around her neck in a threatening way? I just can't with some members here.

[Northern Monkey]

He's an idiot!You can't grab a womans throat or threaten to nut her on national tv,role playing or not.He can't handle his drink and he took it too far and should have realised he would be kicked out.No sympathy for him at all.

[bez87]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

There's no need to be pedantic.

It was a weird roleplay scenario, straight out of one of those kinky novels they sell in supermarkets. Was it uncomfortable to watch? Very. Was it threatening behaviour? No way. It was a two-way thing and Hazel only changed tack once Big Brother called Daley away and made it into an issue.

I should point out that I'm not a fan of either of them, and have wanted them both gone for a while now, but to make Daley out to be some violent thug while Hazel is seen as the victim is all kinds of wrong.

how do you work that one out, their was no roleplay involved on daleys side, for me daley was out right peed off, because she wasn't respecting him, he even told her when she came in that she had to go to sleep, he was very controling, this was no way shape or form role play. Hazel was trying to be funny about it, and make it into a sexual thing, Daley had no idea and was so outraged that she would undermine him with the quilt/cover.

I've had rough play and threatening play but their is always a point to it, there's always the feeling and showing of s*x, in Daleys case there was nothing but anger.

[Vicky.]

To me..theres a difference between enjoying rough sex and what happened last night. Hazel clearly was not comfortable with it right towards the end, yes she seemed to be enjoying it before that but no-one knows for sure. For all we know she could have been playing along in the hope he got no worse, she did mention security at one point which I am inclined to think was a kind of cry for help.

I do, however, think she would have had sex with him had he chosen to kiss her at the point where she said 'I would finish you first'. As at that point I still think she was a bit confused about if he was playing or not, and kissing her would have meant he was playing (in her head at least)

However once it crossed over into hands on her neck and threatening to headbutt her, it was clear to her that he was NOT playing. And thats when she became very uncomfortable and threatened.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

I agree to an extent, but nobody on here has the right to tell people what they can or can not think about anything. Everything really is open to opinion.

Telling anybody they need to reassess their life is outrageous, especially over a Big Brother-related topic.

This is a forum and within the rules people can say anything to one another. Telling someone to reassess their lives because they try to justify abuse, well that seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Maybe if the guys supporting Daley, thought of their sisters or moms being pinned and almost headbutted, well maybe then they would reassess their opinion on what happened.

[anne666]

Reading some of the comments on here suggests sad cheap porn viewing by many.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

He's an idiot!You can't grab a womans throat or threaten to nut her on national tv,role playing or not.He can't handle his drink and he took it too far and should have realised he would be kicked out.No sympathy for him at all.

Welcome to TiBB, great first post

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

To me..theres a difference between enjoying rough sex and what happened last night. Hazel clearly was not comfortable with it right towards the end, yes she seemed to be enjoying it before that but no-one knows for sure. For all we know she could have been playing along in the hope he got no worse, she did mention security at one point which I am inclined to think was a kind of cry for help.

I do, however, think she would have had sex with him had he chosen to kiss her at the point where she said 'I would finish you first'. As at that point I still think she was a bit confused about if he was playing or not, and kissing her would have meant he was playing (in her head at least)

However once it crossed over into hands on her neck and threatening to headbutt her, it was clear to her that he was NOT playing. And thats when she became very uncomfortable and threatened.

Exactly spot on.