[Crimson Dynamo]

the blame lies with the abductor. period.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the blame lies with the abductor. period.

The McCanns are guilty of neglect, they left 3 babies alone in an unlocked apartment, that is neglect. You have a duty to protect your children which they failed to do by leaving them in a vulnerable situation. Yes, whoever took/murdered/whatever Maddie was "most" guilty" but they're not without guilt themselves

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The McCanns are guilty of neglect, they left 3 babies alone in an unlocked apartment, that is neglect. You have a duty to protect your children which they failed to do by leaving them in a vulnerable situation. Yes, whoever took/murdered/whatever Maddie was "most" guilty" but they're not without guilt themselves

Its neglect in your eyes but they did not see it that way, they saw the situation as safe and it would have been but for a determined abductor

who probably would have snatched the child from the beach, a shop or whereever.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its neglect in your eyes but they did not see it that way, they saw the situation as safe and it would have been but for a determined abductor

who probably would have snatched the child from the beach, a shop or whereever.

Wherever there is opportunity, they gave them that opportunity... gift wrapped it by leaving the door unlocked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wherever there is opportunity, they gave them that opportunity... gift wrapped it by leaving the door unlocked.

yes as random paedophiles are everywhere

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its neglect in your eyes but they did not see it that way, they saw the situation as safe and it would have been but for a determined abductor

who probably would have snatched the child from the beach, a shop or whereever.

I've got to agree with this. The whole subject has been hijacked conspiricy theorists and I've seen some really appalling comments from people who have no more information on the case than anyone else on the Internet. The McCanns can't do anything right now in some people's eyes. They're even being criticised for popping up in the press every now and again, even though that was their plan right from the start: to keep their daughter's name in the public eye so that people didn't forget her. I feel dreadfully sorry for them.

[Kizzy]

There was just no hysterics.... if it was me there would have been hysterics.
Payne was the last person to check her, he would have been dangling from a balcony somewhere explaining every detail of the last time he saw her.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There was just no hysterics.... if it was me there would have been hysterics.
Payne was the last person to check her, he would have been dangling from a balcony somewhere explaining every detail of the last time he saw her.

I agree......you would think more would have been made of this situation with Payne yet it was barely mentioned. Very odd ??

[Kizzy]

There is an alternative view to everything, the term conspiracy theorist seems to apply to anyone who is anti the 'norm'.
I feel it's healthy to question everything then form your own opinion.

[Z]

I'm of the opinion that it is their fault that this happened to their little girl.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Z

I'm of the opinion that it is their fault that this happened to their little girl.

I'm sure that's a thought that is in their mind every minute of every day.

[Ninastar]

I don't think anyone can deny that it is their fault. Of course it is. But at the end of the day, they've lost a little girl and they will never get over that. If people think that her parents being in 'spotlight' is a bad thing, then shame on you IMO. What would you do if your child went missing?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I don't think anyone can deny that it is their fault. Of course it is. But at the end of the day, they've lost a little girl and they will never get over that. If people think that her parents being in 'spotlight' is a bad thing, then shame on you IMO. What would you do if your child went missing?

Of course any parent would want it kept on the spotlight.

The 'bad' thing is that there are many other similar cases that should also be kept in the spotlight but aren't because the parents of the missing kids aren't from the same type of background as the McCanns are..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course any parent would want it kept on the spotlight.

The 'bad' thing is that there are many other similar cases that should also be kept in the spotlight but aren't because the parents of the missing kids aren't from the same type of background as the McCanns are..

Because they come from a particular background shouldn't exclude them from using every tool in their box to keep their child's name in the media. They've worked at this, it doesn't come naturally just because they're middle-class.

What other similar cases are there? I remember the Ben Needham case, it frightened the life out of me when I was a child. Ben Needham's mother was on telly quite recently saying she would never, ever give up hope. I don't even recall what background she was from because it's not important.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because they come from a particular background shouldn't exclude them from using every tool in their box to keep their child's name in the media. They've worked at this, it doesn't come naturally just because they're middle-class.

What other similar cases are there? I remember the Ben Needham case, it frightened the life out of me when I was a child. Ben Needham's mother was on telly quite recently saying she would never, ever give up hope. I don't even recall what background she was from because it's not important.

Yes Ben Needham's Mother is still searching for him, funding everything by herself iirc, the private investigator that was dealing with the case said he gets hundreds of reports every year about sightings, yet it's never breaking news, never front page of the papers, funny that IMO I think if his mother was a doctor instead of a waitress in a hotel then it would be plastered all over the news constantly...that's my opinion just like it's my opinion that if Maddie had been from a family that lived off of benefits in a council estate then the parents would have been done for neglect and the case would be nowhere near as high profile as it has become.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes Ben Needham's Mother is still searching for him, funding everything by herself iirc, the private investigator that was dealing with the case said he gets hundreds of reports every year about sightings, yet it's never breaking news, never front page of the papers, funny that IMO I think if his mother was a doctor instead of a waitress in a hotel then it would be plastered all over the news constantly...that's my opinion just like it's my opinion that if Maddie had been from a family that lived off of benefits in a council estate then the parents would have been done for neglect and the case would be nowhere near as high profile as it has become.

Ben Needham disappeared twenty five years ago. Maybe when Madeleine's been missing for that long it won't be front page news anymore. His mother funded a campaign in the same way the McCanns are doing. Honestly, I think this is a case of inverted snobbery. Do they deserve harsher treatment because they're middle class? Ben Needham disappeared without trace, left alone playing in the garden of his grandparents' house aged 21 months. Is that not neglect?

If Madeleine had been from a family who lived off benefits on a council estate what the hell would they be doing in Portugal at a tapas bar? And honestly, if the McCanns, obviously eaten up with grief, had been done for neglect, the country would have been outraged.

[Samm]

I don't know why people are blaming this on the parents

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Sam <3

I don't know why people are blaming this on the parents

Read some more information about it then and you may understand why some blame the parents..because whether you believe they are to blame or not it's clearly understandable why some do blame them IMO.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Josy

Read some more information about it then and you may understand why some blame the parents..because whether you believe they are to blame or not it's clearly understandable why some do IMO.

I have looked at the information I know what happened, they went out to eat while she was asleep

they had no idea this was going to happen, they must fill terrible for it but it's the person who kidnapped Madeleine who is the real blame for this not the parents

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Sam <3

I have looked at the information I know what happened, they went out to eat while she was asleep

they had no idea this was going to happen, they must fill terrible for it but it's the person who kidnapped Madeleine who is the real blame for this not the parents

You posted above that you couldn't understand why some blamed them?

Surely if you have read about what happened you should be able to understand why some people don't believe the McCanns story or even do believe but feel they are partly responsible in a way for leaving the children alone in the firt place..even if you disagree with those opinions..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Sam <3

I have looked at the information I know what happened, they went out to eat while she was asleep

they had no idea this was going to happen, they must fill terrible for it but it's the person who kidnapped Madeleine who is the real blame for this not the parents

They went out while she and her two even younger siblings were asleep, they were babies really, they left the apartment unlocked and went out even though the night before Maddie had told them she woke up and couldn't find them and she was upset. As a parent I will never understand how another parent could be so stupid and irresponsible to do what they did

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Sam <3

I don't know why people are blaming this on the parents

Maybe,because they left 3 kids alone while they went out to dine!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Maybe,because they left 3 kids alone while they went out to dine!!

Don't you think they regret what they did every single moment? Losing their daughter in this terrible way might mean they've suffered more than any kind of prison sentence they might have been handed.

I've read some pretty appalling stuff on the web. I still trust what the police have and what they're going on far more than some uncorroborated sensationalist garbage on the Internet.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't you think they regret what they did every single moment? Losing their daughter in this terrible way might mean they've suffered more than any kind of prison sentence they might have been handed.

I've read some pretty appalling stuff on the web. I still trust what the police have and what they're going on far more than some uncorroborated sensationalist garbage on the Internet.

They must suffer terribly Livia,and I cant imagine how they have coped,but I still think it was a crazy thing to do,I know we all think it wont happen to us,but sadly sometimes it does.I just know I couldn't settle if I went out without mine,I could never leave them alone,I don't understand anyone that would.I'm sure they do regret it,but their thoughtlessness,caused the scenario for someone to take her.

[Kazanne]

As her parents,THEY had a duty to make sure their children were safe,afterall child minders WERE available for some petty cash,their meal was obviously more important than the childrens welfare,so hence they get blamed and rightly so,if they weren't alone this sorry saga might never have happened.