[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Verbal

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking that attitude. I wonder if they would be saying the same if one was done 3 years ago for mugging an old lady or punching a child in the face.

But she didn't punch an old lady so your argument is invalid.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Verbal

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking that attitude. I wonder if they would be saying the same if one was done 3 years ago for mugging an old lady or punching a child in the face.

Those crimes are a lot more serious than petty theft though.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ben

Those crimes are a lot more serious than petty theft though.

if she has stolen from a store, what's to say she wouldn't steal something from an old lady with a bag wide open on the bus?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

if she has stolen from a store, what's to say she wouldn't steal something from an old lady with a bag wide open on the bus?

Because not everyone goes on to do that or there would a hell of a lot more muggings on old ladies than there currently is.

[Verbal]

People are taking comments made in this thread far too seriously.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Verbal

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking that attitude. I wonder if they would be saying the same if one was done 3 years ago for mugging an old lady or punching a child in the face.

...I can only really speak for myself..tbh, I don't know I would feel because she didn't do that, so it's hard to say but I do completely understand your point....I think it was Adam in last years BB who had a 'shady past' but he had actively changed his lifestyle and helped others do the same and if he had won, for me he would have been very deserving...it's all very recent for Tamera and I have to believe what she says and that she regrets things and maybe in time and if being on XFactor gives her fame, then she too can help others and even become an 'inspiration' in many ways because she's inspires through personal and real experiences ....and the sort of thing that for many young people can be reality....

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I can only really speak for myself..tbh, I don't know I would feel because she didn't do that, so it's hard to say but I do completely understand your point....I think it was Adam in last years BB who had a 'shady past' but he had actively changed his lifestyle and helped others do the same and if he had won, for me he would have been very deserving...it's all very recent for Tamera and I have to believe what she says and that she regrets things and maybe in time and if being on XFactor gives her fame, then she too can help others and even become an 'inspiration' in many ways because she's inspires through personal and real experiences ....and the sort of thing that for many young people can be reality....

Better that than to be labeled chav scum and consigned to the scrap heap.

[Marc]

You are though

[Ninastar]

people say this is a thing she did in the past, but it was only a few months ago surely? I think it takes a hell of a long time for people to mature from things such as stealing/drug taking etc.

how old is this girl? Still a teenager right? Just because she's on a life changing TV show doesn't mean that she's grown up now.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

people say this is a thing she did in the past, but it was only a few months ago surely? I think it takes a hell of a long time for people to mature from things such as stealing/drug taking etc.

how old is this girl? Still a teenager right? Just because she's on a life changing TV show doesn't mean that she's grown up now.

My point was (using myself as an example) not everybody who does those things goes on to be a bad person or lead a bad life.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ben

My point was (using myself as an example) not everybody who does those things goes on to be a bad person or lead a bad life.

she may not be a bad person in the future, but (this is just my opinion) it makes her a bad person now.

I think stealing shows absolutely no signs of respect. And she's also beaten someone up, right? Clearly, again, there is something wrong there. And she may have been 'racist' but I doubt that very much. She was probably just trying to save her skin there.

I don't mean any offence to you here. I just don't think they should be, in a sense, glorifying the fact that she stole, no matter what it was. they are allowing her to stay on a show and act like she's amazing. I just think it's wrong.

then again, it's things like this that have made me stop watching. Sharon Osborne doesn't help either.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

she may not be a bad person in the future, but (this is just my opinion) it makes her a bad person now.

I think stealing shows absolutely no signs of respect. And she's also beaten someone up, right? Clearly, again, there is something wrong there. And she may have been 'racist' but I doubt that very much. She was probably just trying to save her skin there.

I don't mean any offence to you here. I just don't think they should be, in a sense, glorifying the fact that she stole, no matter what it was. they are allowing her to stay on a show and act like she's amazing. I just think it's wrong.

then again, it's things like this that have made me stop watching. Sharon Osborne doesn't help either.

..I do think there's a difference though Caitlin between glorifying and helping someone's life to change or not dismissing them because of the things she did...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I do think there's a difference though Caitlin between glorifying and helping someone's life to change or not dismissing them because of the things she did...

She shouldn't get help though. It's something she should do on her own imo.

[Marc]

I agree with you there Caitlin, I think this "revelation" will shame her into never doing it again, and the show won't help her mature but will force her to grow up a little faster.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why would you call a 16 year old girl scum of the earth

[Benjamin]

Verbal it was you earlier saying you cannot compare certain things, well you can't compare what you just said, they are hugely different.

[Jordan.]

Well she isn't getting kicked out so get over it

[Kizzy]

The competition isn't over yet is it... Let's hope she keeps her nose clean eh?

[Kizzy]

It was odd one couldn't go to the US, doesn't that usually indicate drug offences?
How will that be workable if they do win?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was odd one couldn't go to the US, doesn't that usually indicate drug offences?
How will that be workable if they do win?

The US are very strict in drugs, it was indeed probably a minor drugs offense (possession of class B [cannabis] most likely), which is hardly crime of the century, who hasn't smoked a little weed in their youth? But anyway... The answer is, if they win, they will be "celebrities" and so the US will almost certainly grant him a Visa as an exception. Celebrities are "special", didn't you know, and don't have to follow the same rules as us mere mortals. Lots of celebs have records with assaults and minor drugs charges and yet magically seem to be immune from Visa restrictions.

[Kizzy]

Someone wasn't very thorough in their housekeeping...

[Glenn.]

Why was this opened?

[Kizzy]

because it's a contemporary issue, we want squeaky clean contestants not criminals.

[Vicky.]

I dont think criminal records matter too much in general..especially if it was ages ago and not a serious offense (eg smoking pot, bar fight)

But if the activity is still going on while the show is being filmed, theres a problem

[Jack_]

can we just get married already