[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you have zero evidence to back that up. I have the facts 2% and 12% these are the facts. do you think those figures are acceptable? what do you think can be done to improve those figures? Ive made umpteen suggestions, such as changing the environment to suit males too, positive discrimination too....there are also clearly paranoias against men....the double CRB checks should be plenty for them to know if a man has a dodgy past too...feminists fight for getting more oney in all areas they are under represented...shouldn't the same be done for men under represented too? isn't that fair? shouldn't the eqiual opportunity people fight for that too?
ps Ive been accused of being a potential murdrer of women and prostitutes, why haven't you found it in you to be offended by that and told off the poster? or do you pick and choose what you decide to be offended by according to your own agenda? sounds hypocritical and biased much like the feminazi agenda and the couldn't care less attitude about male teachers and role models

I have as much evidence to back that up as you do for your theory about it being all about crazy feminists and discrimination.

I don't think much an be done to improve those figures, as my theory is that most men just dont WANT to teach younger kids. The fact that the gender balance becomes more balanced as ages of kids goes up kinda backs that up. Short of picking a few thousand men at random each year and forcing them to get their teaching qualification, then forcing them to teach primary school kids(which would be very wrong), nothing can be done IMO.

Also I'm not offended by anything you have written. Not sure why you would think that.

And tbh I am probably about as far from a 'feminist' (at least your meaning of it) as you can get

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have as much evidence to back that up as you do for your theory about it being all about crazy feminists and discrimination.

I don't think much an be done to improve those figures, as my theory is that most men just dont WANT to teach younger kids. The fact that the gender balance becomes more balanced as ages of kids goes up kinda backs that up. Short of picking a few thousand men at random each year and forcing them to get their teaching qualification, then forcing them to teach primary school kids(which would be very wrong), nothing can be done IMO.

Also I'm not offended by anything you have written. Not sure why you would think that.

And tbh I am probably about as far from a 'feminist' (at least your meaning of it) as you can get

I have facts you have baseless theories....why don't you care about this and why cant you think of anything to be done to improve it? youd no doubt care about women under represented and demand action to improve it...as do the feminists....yet not when men are under represented..double standards.
why do u suggest the only option is for men get forced into the job , what utter nonsense......are you also saying the Only way to get women into parliament is to force them with a pitchfork. nonsense. they fight to change the environment to encourage women and they have women only short lists...why don you and the feminists fight for the same for men under represented to an even greater degree? if not why not? anything less is feminist hypocrisy and exposes their agenda as biased and selfish

[AnnieK]

This is a serious question now truth... Do you do anything about your thoughts and ideas? Do you get out there and lobby for support? The only reason there is more equality now where women are concerned is because of the women who fought for it...they got out there and did something whilst there were plenty of women sat at one moaning about being classed as second hand citizens...but the few that gotout there and gave up their freedom and lives in some cases made a difference. It's all very well you giving us these statistics but on a Big Brother forum what are we really expected to do? My son is reaching school age next year and I want him to have the best possible education, as long as the curriculum is followed and he learns in a happy, healthy environment I really don't care that much if he has male or female teachers...as long as he learns

[Vicky.]

The only fact you have is that 12% of primary school teachers are male. Thats it. Nothing else.

I cant think of anything that can be done to improve it because (like you) I do not know the reason for the low figure. If its because men are being turned down, then theres a problem. If its because they just do not want to do the job and would rather teach older kids, then there is not a problem. We don't know which it is.

I dont give a stuff about women being under represented in any job. I have already said this with your parliament argument I think as long as someone does a job properly, it doesn't matter what genitalia they have.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The only fact you have is that 12% of primary school teachers are male. Thats it. Nothing else.

I cant think of anything that can be done to improve it because (like you) I do not know the reason for the low figure. If its because men are being turned down, then theres a problem. If its because they just do not want to do the job and would rather teach older kids, then there is not a problem. We don't know which it is.

I dont give a stuff about women being under represented in any job. I have already said this with your parliament argument I think as long as someone does a job properly, it doesn't matter what genitalia they have.

2% facts too? hello?

you have no facts at all.

I agree about meritocracy. However if our society demands more equal representation in all walks of life from parliament to boardrooms and beyond, then it should work both ways where men are scandalously under represented

[Vicky.]

No, I have no facts at all. You are quite correct. However if everyone (including you) stuck to only posting facts, this thread would never have got past the OP, as you have added nothing else factual throughout the thread either? You have added opinions, as has everyone else.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No, I have no facts at all. You are quite correct. However if everyone (including you) stuck to only posting facts, this thread would never have got past the OP, as you have added nothing else factual throughout the thread either? You have added opinions, as has everyone else.

My opinions based on facts....yours are utterly baseless and contradict the rules of feminism which fight for equality?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

My opinions based on facts....yours are utterly baseless and contradict the rules of feminism which fight for equality?

They aren't though. As I said, the ONLY facts you have is the percentage of male primary school teachers, and from looking at the government site, it appears the 12% is wrong anyway?

[Ninastar]

where are you getting this 12%!!!!! from?

it says on this site that it's 19% males compared with 81% female?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...e-still-needed

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

where are you getting this 12%!!!!! from?

it says on this site that it's 19% males compared with 81% female?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...e-still-needed

And on the rise...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Angel~Annie

And on the rise...

Exactly. I'd say the 5% increase within 3/4 years is pretty amazing

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

Exactly. I'd say the 5% increase within 3/4 years is pretty amazing

|It is marvellous to see that increase in the past 18 months , but it will take years for it to show on national statistics in helping kids have a more balanced education. clearly the nasty tories have done better than labour in this area....labour talk a good game but their pro feminist politically correct results have been a total disaster. just as was their women only parliamentary seats, a total anti democratic disgrace

[the truth]

Interesting too how the schools with female head teachers on average employ fewer male teachers.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

In infant school we had no male teachers. However the headteacher was male.
In junior school we had a couple of males but mostly female. Again, headteacher was male though.
Seniors was dominated by male teachers. We had different teachers for each lesson, overall I would say there were maybe 30/40 teachers in the school, and I only remember 5 women.

Originally Posted by the truth

Interesting too how the schools with female head teachers on average employ fewer male teachers.

I think schools up here must differ from the 'norm'

I had a male headteacher throughout school. Yet still a massive shortage of male teachers (until senior school)

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think schools up here must differ from the 'norm'

I had a male headteacher throughout school. Yet still a massive shortage of male teachers (until senior school)

funny how you "choose" one alleged example which is pro feminist yet flied against all thew nationwide evidnce that female head teacher employ more female teachers tha the average....biased ?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

funny how you "choose" one alleged example which is pro feminist yet flied against all thew nationwide evidnce that female head teacher employ more female teachers tha the average....biased ?

What the hell are you going on about? I'm just saying the schools here must be different from normal, based on my personal experience? I'm not disputing 'nationwide evidence' at all:S

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What the hell are you going on about? I'm just saying the schools here must be different from normal, based on my personal experience? I'm not disputing 'nationwide evidence' at all:S

yet you choose to ignore it? total bias

[Livia]

As the question of Westminster keeps being tossed up... The selection of MPs is a complicated business. Deselecting a sitting MP is not an easy thing to do as the deselection (at the next general election) of Tim Yeo recently has proved, and he hasn't been deselected in favour of a woman, he's been deselected because he's useless.

Only one party - Labour - run women-only shortlists. The Conservatives, for instance do not, despite women Conservative MPs being heavily outnumbered 48 female to 256 male. *

Men are not being discouraged to become teachers, they obviously don't want to join the profession, otherwise, what's stopping them? Blaming women in general, and feminists in particular, is both erroneous and ridiculous.

*
http://www.ukpolitical.info/female-m...parliament.htm

http://www.ukpolitical.info/FemaleMPs.htm

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

As the question of Westminster keeps being tossed up... The selection of MPs is a complicated business. Deselecting a sitting MP is not an easy thing to do as the deselection (at the next general election) of Tim Yeo recently has proved, and he hasn't been deselected in favour of a woman, he's been deselected because he's useless.

Only one party - Labour - run women-only shortlists. The Conservatives, for instance do not, despite women Conservative MPs being heavily outnumbered 48 female to 256 male. *

Men are not being discouraged to become teachers, they obviously don't want to join the profession, otherwise, what's stopping them? Blaming women in general, and feminists in particular, is both erroneous and ridiculous.

*
http://www.ukpolitical.info/female-m...parliament.htm

http://www.ukpolitical.info/FemaleMPs.htm

why don't you mention the number of women mps in other parties too? biased? why should women get an easier passage into parliament with female only seats and men be banned from fighting for their own seat? undemocratic and frankly illegal. yet you ignore this? why? biased much? why should the fact women have vaginas allow them any easy less meritocratic undemocratic passage into parliament?