[Lee.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If a few people on a Big Brother forum know about it, I imagine they did yes.

Yes, that's what I was thinking? Didn't they go and retrieve the fridge?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yes, that's what I was thinking? Didn't they go and retrieve the fridge?

Good point.

[Z]

My opinion of them always sways... sometimes I think they're suspicious and the only reason they've gotten away with being found out so far is because they're intelligent medical professionals who, considering their jobs, probably know how best to deal with a dead body better than most people and just like Mark Bridger (April Jones case), managed to get rid of the body without anyone ever finding it. Unlike him though, they weren't deranged psychopaths; but rather panicked parents who had time to think about what to do next because no one was going to raise the alarm until they did so they had time to get rid of the body calmly (well, as calmly as you could possibly be if your daughter had died and it was down to your negligence...) - which explains the cold, unemotional media presence because they haven't gone through the emotional shock of her disappearing and fearing the worst; they already know what happened to her and that's why they were straight into the fund raising and setting up all these smoke screens... why would you become media centric and be setting up fundraisers instead of hoping, praying and assuming the police would get her back...

On the other hand, why should they be judged for not acting in the "proper" way? Has anyone here ever had their child go missing and never come back? Who are we to assume they're guilty just because Kate isn't the mother in constant tears and Gerry isn't the stoic-but-fighting-back-tears father comforting her and pleading for her return like we've seen in the past in other missing child cases? Everyone is different and maybe they just felt broken and defeated from the moment it happened because they felt guilty for leaving them and this ended up happening? Even if they don't admit it publicly, they must be absolutely heartbroken and feel full of guilt at what happened - it wouldn't have happened if they'd been there or had taken Madeleine and the babies to dinner; so many things they could and should have done to prevent this from happening, they must find it hard to sleep at night - of course that's going to take its toll on you and affect the way you react to things emotionally; I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them were completely depressed and unable to express the emotions that other parents of missing children have expressed in the past... what could Holly and Jessica's parents have done? What could Ben Needham's family have done? What about April Jones' parents? They can't blame themselves for what happened; the McCanns can and plenty of people have done it for them even if they don't...

[CaudleHalbard]

A friend of mine wrote to Operation Grange and amongst other things suggested that they should get Kate McCann to answer the 48 questions she failed to answer for the Portuguese police. He has received an acknowledgement but as yet no substantive response.

[Vicky.]

I dont mind about the 48 questions particularly, some were quite loaded. Though many of them were perfectly fine..and I dont see why she wouldnt answer those ones.

But I do NOT understand why the parents were never suspects here. Their word that it was an abduction was just taken. Its dodgy as hell, as most cases involving children involve parents/close family/friends. I just dont understand how they were written off so quickly. To do a real investigation at this point would mean questioning the parents, the friends, ad going over every damn thing with a fine tooth comb, no matter how uncomfortable this makes people. Yes, chances are nothing would come of it, but it needs to be done.




Making up burglars who happen to take children instead of valuables is not what should be happening at this point 6 years and 10m+ on.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont mind about the 48 questions particularly, some were quite loaded. Though many of them were perfectly fine..and I dont see why she wouldnt answer those ones.

But I do NOT understand why the parents were never suspects here. Their word that it was an abduction was just taken. Its dodgy as hell, as most cases involving children involve parents/close family/friends. I just dont understand how they were written off so quickly. To do a real investigation at this point would mean questioning the parents, the friends, ad going over every damn thing with a fine tooth comb, no matter how uncomfortable this makes people. Yes, chances are nothing would come of it, but it needs to be done.




Making up burglars who happen to take children instead of valuables is not what should be happening at this point 6 years and 10m+ on.

I completely agree. I take issue with the McCanns refusing to co-operate with the police. Some of those questions were brutal, yes, but don't they understand that the police have to explore every avenue to try and find out what happened to her? The police need to be able to rule them out as suspects in order to narrow down their enquiries; by not playing ball the McCanns have held up the investigation and have ensured that any chance of finding Madeleine went from possible to bordering on impossible. Or perhaps they do understand perfectly well that by refusing to cooperate, they make it difficult for the police to solve the crime because there are just too many possibilities that lead to more possibilities for the police to ever realistically solve this in a reasonable amount of time - maybe they're hoping that by the time the police make any sort of breakthrough, the leads will be dead anyway.

I just can't understand why a mother who has lost her child would do anything other than fully cooperate with the police. Wouldn't you do whatever you could to try and get your child back? Then again, regardless of her guilt, I'm not surprised. It's just yet another example of their selfish behaviour - she'd rather not answer the questions and wallow in how offended she is that they would ask her such questions than answer them and help the police help her get her daughter back. How can she be so selfish that she doesn't want to help them help her out? Can't she see that the questions aren't being asked to offend her, they're being asked to narrow down the enquiries? But this is a woman who was happy to leave her children alone in an unlocked holiday apartment out of her sight, so why am I at all surprised?

[CaudleHalbard]

The only "evidence" that the girl was abducted is Kate and Gerry's word for it. Nothing else whatsoever . It is right and proper they should answer all questions - however discomfiting it may be.

It seems the McCanns were more interested in becoming media celebs and going all around Europe meeting important people.

[Z]

I'm surprised that there are people who don't think the McCanns were negligent for leaving their kids alone so they could go out for dinner - yeah it's true that some parents do stuff like that all the time but I don't know how many would do that on holiday in a foreign country, would leave the apartment unlocked and would do that to children as young as theirs - I can understand leaving an 8 year old alone in the house while you nip to the shops to get bread and milk more than I can understand leaving two babies and a toddler alone for a few hours while you go have your dinner and some drinks with your friends; it's an innocent mistake to make but it is still a mistake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Z

I'm surprised that there are people who don't think the McCanns were negligent for leaving their kids alone so they could go out for dinner - yeah it's true that some parents do stuff like that all the time but I don't know how many would do that on holiday in a foreign country, would leave the apartment unlocked and would do that to children as young as theirs - I can understand leaving an 8 year old alone in the house while you nip to the shops to get bread and milk more than I can understand leaving two babies and a toddler alone for a few hours while you go have your dinner and some drinks with your friends; it's an innocent mistake to make but it is still a mistake.

The focus is on a man who abducted a child and not on parents - your assumption is that there is a paedo round every corner.

[Novo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26646885

[Z]

Wonder where this will lead... nowhere, probably

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Z

Wonder where this will lead... nowhere, probably

At least it sounds the Portuguese are heading oin the right direction. They have a totally different line of enquiry to SY. SY seem so incompetent in this whole thing IMO

That said, this might be more bollocks put out there by Clarence Mitchell...like the 3 burglars story

[Vicky.]

Its just such a load of crap. The amount of money thrown at this case and they are still hunting down random passers by. Look closer at the group..

[Novo]

Wonder why they have only just been looking to seek him now though, the background of the person speaks for itself

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Novo

Wonder why they have only just been looking to seek him now though, the background of the person speaks for itself

They are getting desperate to find someone to pin it on.

Or its more bullshine from Clarence to take the public attention away from the real investigation.

Hoping its the second.

The libel trial still hasnt resumed either..which I find quite interesting given that it was meant to be concluded in January..

[Nedusa]

More of the same Non news we have been getting on this case for months now. Someone is desparate to keep this story in the News.

I hope this case is resolved but I feel sorry for all the other kidnap/abduction cases that make the news initially and then fade from the public gaze and and are often never heard of again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

More of the same Non news we have been getting on this case for months now. Someone is desparate to keep this story in the News.

I hope this case is resolved but I feel sorry for all the other kidnap/abduction cases that make the news initially and then fade from the public gaze and and are often never heard of again.

can you name a couple of UK ones?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you name a couple of UK ones?

Thats the problem, they arent in the news enough to remember names. Whereas everyone knows Madeleines name...and the story. And isn't allowed to forget it, despite her most likely being dead anyway for the past 7 years.

Ben Needham is one though.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you name a couple of UK ones?

Exactly..........my point !!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Exactly..........my point !!!!

No I mean has there actually been any that did not make the news?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you name a couple of UK ones?

Missing People says 150,000 in the UK go missing each year, naming any one specific case would be pointless.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you name a couple of UK ones?

http://missingkids.co.uk/missing/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://missingkids.co.uk/missing/

That is not what i asked for. I am asking for an abducted UK child of a similar age who has gone missing and its not been major news?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is not what i asked for. I am asking for an abducted UK child of a similar age who has gone missing and its not been major news?

That's an old chestnut that pops up on here from time to time. Never seen any evidence of it though...

I think the McCanns, despite an horrific Internet campaign of abuse, backed up by wafer-thin allegations and virtually no evidence at all, by people who know nothing of the case but what they've read online, have done really well to keep Madeleine's name in the press and the case in people's minds. I think many people in their position would have submitted and let the trolls move on to something else. Keeping this alive in the press isn't an easy thing to do, you have to be committed to it.

[Vicky.]

http://childalerts.org.uk/

Quite a few on there I have never heard of...