[jet]

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down. The HM's are in a pressure cooker environment and letting it rip now and then is going to happen, and Jim Davidson and his needs aren't paramount and neither should they be.
Even when music was played into the house last week - not the bedroom - he went 'FGS!' and grumped off into the garden to sit looking like he was sucking a lemon.
There are YOUNG people in the house, and young people aren't going to curb their energy and high jinks in a one - off experience of a lifetime to suit one person. My goodness, Lionel, Linda and Liz not only accepted that, but joined in. Did we ever hear them complaining?
Jim can sleep to his hearts content when he leaves the house - for God's sake man make the most of something that you willingly went into, are getting paid for and should be enjoying to the full.
I personally think that his problem tonight was that the HM's were singing the Lionel song they made up over and over and that really got to him. One frame went to him lying in bed and it looked like he was giving the finger.
Then he got up and went into the lounge as usual to draw attention to himself as poor Jim not able to sleep. Why not just stay in bed and count sheep? Then to cap it all he ends the saga by lying down on the bedroom floor by the door. What on earth? If that wasn't attention seeking, what was that about? Grow up!

I've never seen a year on the forum where people complained about the HM's having fun because one person wasn't up for it OR one where the fun in the bedroom was blasted before lights out. The prissy party pooper attitude this year because of one HM is quite bizarre.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down.

But that doesn't mean it's been right, I've always said HM's who want to stay up and have a laugh have about 5 other rooms they can go into, why does it have to be the B/room?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

Yes, I burst out laughing the other night when he said 'get some sleep, woman' to Linda. Oh the irony!

[Kizzy]

And I think your blinkered but who cares?
An ex alcoholic who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic. IMO

[lostalex]

I'm confused now, i Haven't seen Jim get sloppy drunk...

I don't think alcohol has anything to do with Jim being an asshole.

[MTVN]

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

So sue me!...
That's what I think, you're not contracted to agree with me.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well it's hard to have evidence for that, especially 20 years later...that's why i used the word "probably". Only he and his maybe victims will ever know for sure. the rest of us can only speculate.

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

I am not supporting your point. I stated that it is not fair to speculate about what might or might not have happened in a case when sexual assault charges have been dropped. There are grey areas and many, many men can cross over an invisible line inadvertently, or because they are chancing their arm.

Obviously, however, I have been subjected to some clear-cut instances of abuse, and I do appreciate your sympathy.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I am not supporting your point. I stated that it is not fair to speculate about what might or might not have happened in a case when sexual assault charges have been dropped. There are grey areas and many, many men can cross over an invisible line inadvertently, or because they are chancing their arm.

Obviously, however, I have been subjected to some clear-cut instances of abuse, and I do appreciate your sympathy.

I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

It's actually offensive that you think men are that stupid.

The men who abused you knew exactly what they were doing, and they got away with it because you didn't report them.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

I don't know if it's just men, to be fair. A woman friend got into my bed when I was sick once, then grabbed my hand and put it on her breast, even though she knew very well I am straight. She'd been drinking and I think she thought that everyone has the potential to be "bi", so she had a shot. She's a university lecturer in social work. Do I want to ruin her career because of that? Nope. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel I surrendered? Nope. Do I feel ashamed? Nope. Did she feel embarrassed afterwards. Yes. Did it spoil our friendship? Yes, but only because she felt rejected.

[MTVN]

See you in court kizzy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

See you in court kizzy

I'm on the phone now to livia....
She'll eat you alive, and then represent me in court, giggity.

[Josy]

[Josy]

Jet there's threads every series about housemates not getting to sleep/noise in the bedroom at night.

[Videostar]

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty.

He doesn't need sleep any more than anyone else in that house though, so why is he any different?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty.

I don't think many people would disagree but you would really rather them just go 'okay sorry Jim, we'll let you sleep' instead of continuing to act like inconsiderate arseholes and piss him off so they start a tit-for-tat battle which'll inevitably end up in a hilarious argument, I mean really? Why would you want them to stop what they are doing?

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think many people would disagree but you would really rather them just go 'okay sorry Jim, we'll let you sleep' instead of continuing to act like inconsiderate arseholes and piss him off so they start a tit-for-tat battle which'll inevitably end up in a hilarious argument, I mean really? Why would you want them to stop what they are doing?

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

I don't think you understood my point, because if they said 'okay Jim we'll got to another room', then that wouldn't piss him off...and my point was that why would you want them to stop doing stuff that's going to piss one another off? That's exactly what we want. Sure, I wouldn't want to live amongst it but I'm not, just watching it

[jet]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

They were having fun and making noise singing the Lionel song in the garden when Jim first got up. The house is a small space really.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

Jet there's threads every series about housemates not getting to sleep/noise in the bedroom at night.

Honestly? Well, I take your word for that of course. But they must have been pretty low key or not very interesting then because I can't recall any.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by jet

Honestly? Well, I take your word for that of course. But they must have been pretty low key or not very interesting then because I can't recall any.

I can, theres always been threads about dickhead HM's who wont shut up in the bedroom at night

[jet]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I can, theres always been threads about dickhead HM's who wont shut up in the bedroom at night

Even before lights out? Has there been any where a HM grumps when music is played into the house in the early evening?