[Crimson Dynamo]

Obviously praying does not work because murmuring to yourself will never change anything

Praying to your god of choice is also futile as the many and various gods are both not real and useless as stopping any misery that the world throws up.

Yet we still hear about thoughts and prayers and pray this and pray that. Yes Its a hangover from a superstitious earlier time but how do you feel about it?

It seems to more now mean "thinking about something, perhaps with many others"?

[King Gizzard]

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nathan

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

How does it do that?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nathan

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

Agreed....for some it gives them solace and peace. Everyone deals with their issues in their own way. Their beliefs are exactly that, THEIRS and shouldn't concern anyone else. Calling people deranged for doing so is extremely offensive.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Agreed....for some it gives them solace and peace. Everyone deals with their issues in their own way. Their beliefs are exactly that, THEIRS and shouldn't concern anyone else. Calling people deranged for doing so is extremely offensive.

No it isn't it is the truth... Talking to an imaginary person is the first sign of mental illness and can quite comfortably be termed as deranged...

How you think think I am being offensive by stating the bleedin obvious is beyond me...!!!

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No it isn't it is the truth... Talking to an imaginary person is the first sign of mental illness and can quite comfortably be termed as deranged...

How you think think I am being offensive by stating the bleedin obvious is beyond me...!!!

Its an offensive post.

It is possible to get your point across with being insulting to numerous people in the process.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No it isn't it is the truth... Talking to an imaginary person is the first sign of mental illness and can quite comfortably be termed as deranged...

How you think think I am being offensive by stating the bleedin obvious is beyond me...!!!

Nonsense. Offensive to people with mental health issues as well.

[Kate!]

The second part of your post is a little offensive, hmmm. I'm not actively religious, don't attend church, but I do believe in a God, and have said informal prayers at certain times in my life.

Originally Posted by Nathan

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

Exactly this.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

The second part of your post is a little offensive, hmmm. I'm not actively religious, don't attend church, but I do believe in a God, and have said informal prayers at certain times in my life.



Exactly this.

OK.... Perhaps using the word deranged is a little strong perhaps I should have said a bit confused or perturbed

[Kyle]

@Nedusa I think your a breath of fresh air in the debate section and I like your Farscape avatar but I think you would be a quality poster if you tempered your tongue a little.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kyle

@Nedusa I think your a breath of fresh air in the debate section and I like your Farscape avatar but I think you would be a quality poster if you tempered your tongue a little.

Thanks Kyle, yes I think I jumped into this a bit too quick and am digging a hole for myself here.

For what it's worth NO I don't think people are mentally deranged for praying. It was a bad choice of language.

I should have just said it's not something I would do but each to their own.

No offence intended....!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nathan

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

Yes for those at that Level in Life.


In private - no problem

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Nathan

If it gives people hope and strength in hard times then it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, even if it doesn't do anything. Don't see that much wrong with it.

This thread was ended with the first reply.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

This thread was ended with the first reply.

Amen to that

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

This thread was ended with the first reply.

Agreed.

[Roy Mars III]

i am a foxhole prayer

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess its back to wishful thinking again for humans as we deal with lifes futility and briefness

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I guess its back to wishful thinking again for humans as we deal with lifes futility and briefness

Imagine for a minute what would happen if someone of faith was on here saying the kind of sh1t that's been posted, about people of no faith. You'd feel pretty attacked if people suggested you're mentally ill simply because you don't share the same feelings. Atheists and agnostics sometimes feel it is their right to be ****ing rude just because they don't share a faith or understand what faith means. I couldn't care less what you believe in... although it's obviously nothing and considering the post above it doesn't exactly fill you with joy. But that's your call. As my faith is my call, and unless you can discuss it like a grown up without being insulting, you should probably keep your bile to yourself.

Prayer - the art of feeling good about doing nothing.

Nothing wrong with that if that's what someone wants to do with their life, and I have no desire to indulge in thought crime to prevent it.

The world is a ****** of a place, where the ones you love the most are capable of causing you the most pain. I'm an anti-theist, but in the words of John Lennon - whatever gets you through the night.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Prayer - the art of feeling good about doing nothing.

Nothing wrong with that if that's what someone wants to do with their life, and I have no desire to indulge in thought crime to prevent it.

The world is a ****** of a place, where the ones you love the most are capable of causing you the most pain. I'm an anti-theist, but in the words of John Lennon - whatever gets you through the night.

I have no problems with it either buy when it is taught in schools as a fact then that is a BIG problem

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I have no problems with it either buy when it is taught in schools as a fact then that is a BIG problem

Which schools are these?

My religious education in school wasn't about drumming it into you and put across as fact (and I went to a catholic school). It was about all kinds of different religions, their origins, different cultures, the change in the world over time and had a dollop of philosophy thrown in.

All very valuable education if you are at all interested in things beyond your own life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Imagine for a minute what would happen if someone of faith was on here saying the kind of sh1t that's been posted, about people of no faith. You'd feel pretty attacked if people suggested you're mentally ill simply because you don't share the same feelings. Atheists and agnostics sometimes feel it is their right to be ****ing rude just because they don't share a faith or understand what faith means. I couldn't care less what you believe in... although it's obviously nothing and considering the post above it doesn't exactly fill you with joy. But that's your call. As my faith is my call, and unless you can discuss it like a grown up without being insulting, you should probably keep your bile to yourself.

You are referring to a post that was removed by I believe Nathan in this thread. I have not called anyone mentally deranged or attacked anyone as you have suggested. In a previous thread I called the use of the term "gone to the angels" etc when a child dies as moronic because its mawkish guff and incorrect but that is again not what you have suggested. Which insult in this thread that I have made do you refer to?

I would add that one of the few lines of defense that religious people have left is to cry persecution when their lies are exposed. This is because they have had a very privileged position in the past and now that this has been removed they feel the effect of exposure.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

You are referring to a post that was removed by I believe Nathan in this thread. I have not called anyone mentally deranged or attacked anyone as you have suggested. In a previous thread I called the use of the term "gone to the angels" etc when a child dies as moronic because its mawkish guff and incorrect but that is again not what you have suggested. Which insult in this thread that I have made do you refer to?

I would add that one of the few lines of defense that religious people have left is to cry persecution when their lies are exposed. This is because they have had a very privileged position in the past and now that this has been removed they feel the effect of exposure.

I don't feel the need to either defend or explain myself. Your whole tone is aggressive, and has been previously on other threads any time religion is mentioned. I don't feel people of my particular faith have ever had a privileged position, nor do I feel particularly exposed now. I'm not quite sure what kind of debate you're hoping to have when all you do is insult.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't feel the need to either defend or explain myself. Your whole tone is aggressive, and has been previously on other threads any time religion is mentioned. I don't feel people of my particular faith have ever had a privileged position, nor do I feel particularly exposed now. I'm not quite sure what kind of debate you're hoping to have when all you do is insult.

If you dont want to defend or explain your position then i can see no reason for you in this thread. As I stated the persecution angle is a card that can only be played once.

[Josy]

Some people can succeed in life without faith and some can't, some people turn to faith at bad times in their lives and some don't. Everyone has different outlooks on life so as long it's not personally affecting you in an negative way then my opinion is give them peace to do what they want with their own lives.