[Livia]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I guess its back to wishful thinking again for humans as we deal with lifes futility and briefness

Imagine for a minute what would happen if someone of faith was on here saying the kind of sh1t that's been posted, about people of no faith. You'd feel pretty attacked if people suggested you're mentally ill simply because you don't share the same feelings. Atheists and agnostics sometimes feel it is their right to be ****ing rude just because they don't share a faith or understand what faith means. I couldn't care less what you believe in... although it's obviously nothing and considering the post above it doesn't exactly fill you with joy. But that's your call. As my faith is my call, and unless you can discuss it like a grown up without being insulting, you should probably keep your bile to yourself.

Prayer - the art of feeling good about doing nothing.

Nothing wrong with that if that's what someone wants to do with their life, and I have no desire to indulge in thought crime to prevent it.

The world is a ****** of a place, where the ones you love the most are capable of causing you the most pain. I'm an anti-theist, but in the words of John Lennon - whatever gets you through the night.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Prayer - the art of feeling good about doing nothing.

Nothing wrong with that if that's what someone wants to do with their life, and I have no desire to indulge in thought crime to prevent it.

The world is a ****** of a place, where the ones you love the most are capable of causing you the most pain. I'm an anti-theist, but in the words of John Lennon - whatever gets you through the night.

I have no problems with it either buy when it is taught in schools as a fact then that is a BIG problem

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I have no problems with it either buy when it is taught in schools as a fact then that is a BIG problem

Which schools are these?

My religious education in school wasn't about drumming it into you and put across as fact (and I went to a catholic school). It was about all kinds of different religions, their origins, different cultures, the change in the world over time and had a dollop of philosophy thrown in.

All very valuable education if you are at all interested in things beyond your own life.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Which schools are these?

My religious education in school wasn't about drumming it into you and put across as fact (and I went to a catholic school). It was about all kinds of different religions, their origins, different cultures, the change in the world over time and had a dollop of philosophy thrown in.

All very valuable education if you are at all interested in things beyond your own life.

You went to a catholic school and you were not taught that prayer worked, that hell existed and that you will be punished for your sins?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

You went to a catholic school and you were not taught that prayer worked, that hell existed and that you will be punished for your sins?

No. We were given "Religious education" which educated on the origins of religion, how they evolved, different religious cultures from all over the world etc.

All very valuable education for anyone interested in learning about things and people outside of their own world view.

The fact that you automatically presume religious education is about trying to drum beliefs into people and force them to believe unprovable facts just shows how ridiculous your points are.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

No. We were given "Religious education" which educated on the origins of religion, how they evolved, different religious cultures from all over the world etc.

All very valuable education for anyone interested in learning about things and people outside of their own world view.

And this kind of comparative religious teaching is a huge benefit to people when considering their own philosophies.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

Imagine for a minute what would happen if someone of faith was on here saying the kind of sh1t that's been posted, about people of no faith. You'd feel pretty attacked if people suggested you're mentally ill simply because you don't share the same feelings. Atheists and agnostics sometimes feel it is their right to be ****ing rude just because they don't share a faith or understand what faith means. I couldn't care less what you believe in... although it's obviously nothing and considering the post above it doesn't exactly fill you with joy. But that's your call. As my faith is my call, and unless you can discuss it like a grown up without being insulting, you should probably keep your bile to yourself.

You are referring to a post that was removed by I believe Nathan in this thread. I have not called anyone mentally deranged or attacked anyone as you have suggested. In a previous thread I called the use of the term "gone to the angels" etc when a child dies as moronic because its mawkish guff and incorrect but that is again not what you have suggested. Which insult in this thread that I have made do you refer to?

I would add that one of the few lines of defense that religious people have left is to cry persecution when their lies are exposed. This is because they have had a very privileged position in the past and now that this has been removed they feel the effect of exposure.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

You are referring to a post that was removed by I believe Nathan in this thread. I have not called anyone mentally deranged or attacked anyone as you have suggested. In a previous thread I called the use of the term "gone to the angels" etc when a child dies as moronic because its mawkish guff and incorrect but that is again not what you have suggested. Which insult in this thread that I have made do you refer to?

I would add that one of the few lines of defense that religious people have left is to cry persecution when their lies are exposed. This is because they have had a very privileged position in the past and now that this has been removed they feel the effect of exposure.

I don't feel the need to either defend or explain myself. Your whole tone is aggressive, and has been previously on other threads any time religion is mentioned. I don't feel people of my particular faith have ever had a privileged position, nor do I feel particularly exposed now. I'm not quite sure what kind of debate you're hoping to have when all you do is insult.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't feel the need to either defend or explain myself. Your whole tone is aggressive, and has been previously on other threads any time religion is mentioned. I don't feel people of my particular faith have ever had a privileged position, nor do I feel particularly exposed now. I'm not quite sure what kind of debate you're hoping to have when all you do is insult.

If you dont want to defend or explain your position then i can see no reason for you in this thread. As I stated the persecution angle is a card that can only be played once.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

If you dont want to defend or explain your position then i can see no reason for you in this thread. As I stated the persecution angle is a card that can only be played once.

Yet trolls can play their cards wherever and whenever they choose? Kiss my arse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

If you dont want to defend or explain your position then i can see no reason for you in this thread. As I stated the persecution angle is a card that can only be played once.

I see no reason to explain myself to you because you're not really interested in my point of view. Your mind is firmly closed. And frankly, continuing claim that I am playing the persecution card is unacceptable and rude and says rather more about you than it says about me.