[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm showing you the flaw in your logic.

We can't discuss trivial matters or anything because of this or that is as silly as us not being allowed to enjoy the luxuries we are fortunate to have because in another part of the world people are dying through not having the things that we are blessed to have.

Tit for tat doesn't work for anything. It certainly is not a competition. One issue does not cancel out another.

Just because disabled people face a challenge does not diminish the issues faced by ethnic minorities.

There is no riddle in what I'm saying. It's straight forward.

theres no flaw whatsoever im changing the narrative, it really is simple Im surpirised you cant see that. yes it does diminish the struggles of other minorities in the same country, because the struggles of the disabled are greater and far less funded and get far less coverage. theyre in direct competition. and we ignore them because theyre powerless to fight their corner

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

theres no flaw whatsoever im changing the narrative,

Yeah, you can say that again.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My point was more along the lines of pretty much everything thats on our news is trivial if you compare it to other things going on in the world. I mean, this thousands dying of blood clots thing that you keep going on about...many more thousands die of starvation in africa every minute. Under-representation of disabled people on tv...who cares..100 or so hate crimes are commited against the disabled everyday..you see where I am going with this?

The news just sells us what the viewers want basically (in my case I tend to not be interested in much on the news at all as its either doom and gloom, or things I dont care about at all most of the time ) or what they can spin into a 'shocking' story

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council. lets change the narrative and lets raise the profile and issues of those who are scandalously overlooked under funded and under represented. i.e. the disabled, the sick, the elderly. their struggles are infinitely worse and they are in direct competition with these other so called minorities for fudning for power for attention for support and media coverage

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yeah, you can say that again.

someone has to say it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council.

Sexist and racist issues are not trivial.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council.

Thats what you got from my post? :S

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

The problems in the NHS are reported on news programmes on a regular basis and will continue to be, they are hardly ignored. Indeed if it weren't for the valable contribution of highly educated and skilled female doctors and nurses, it would be in a much worse state. You seem to blame women for all the ills of society - it really is becoming very boring, as it makes absolutely no sense.

Why shouldn't over 50% of the population of this country have a right to be represented on one of the nation's banknotes - it certainly deserves as much right to some airtime as anything else. There is nothing trivial about it as women bring in hugh amounts of money to our economy and deserve recogniton for it, why do you have such a problem with that?

You may consider female equality trivial but at least 50% of the population do not - you are in the minority. Many people consider religion trivial as it is based on belief rather than fact, unlike the contribution women make to society, the nhs and the success of this country. Religion has also been responsible for countless wars and the pointless deaths of millions, what a waste. Your rantings are just that - pointless, opinionated rantings.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Sexist and racist issues are not trivial.

many are very trivial in this country, especially compared to matters of life and death and serious health issues.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats what you got from my post? :S

I'm sure he's on a wind up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

many are very trivial in this country, especially compared to matters of life and death and serious health issues.

Everything is trivial compared to life and death.

But that doesn't mean we can't discuss or do anything because people are dying.

Again, this tit for tat does not work. People die everyday.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

The problems in the NHS are reported on news programmes on a regular basis and will continue to be, they are hardly ignored. Indeed if it weren't for the valable contribution of highly educated and skilled female doctors and nurses, it would be in a much worse state. You seem to blame women for all the ills of society - it really is becoming very boring, as it makes absolutely no sense.

Why shouldn't over 50% of the population of this country have a right to be represented on one of the nation's banknotes - it certainly deserves as much right to some airtime as anything else. There is nothing trivial about it as women bring in hugh amounts of money to our economy and deserve recogniton for it, why do you have such a problem with that?

You may consider female equality trivial but at least 50% of the population do not - you are in the minority. Many people consider religion trivial as it is based on belief rather than fact, unlike the contribution women make to society, the nhs and the success of this country. Your rantings are just that - pointless, opinionated rantings.

its had more headlines than the deaths of 100s of thousands of innocents in nhs hospitals from undiagnosed blood clots that they developed whilst in hospital....so you think its right our news spends more time and resources reporting on women on bank notes than the avoidable DEATHS OF hundreds of thousands? you call that intelligent moral prioritising of issues?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Everything is trivial compared to life and death.

But that doesn't mean we can't discuss or do anything because people are dying.

Again, this tit for tat does not work. People die everyday.

it should mean these serious matters get way way way more headlines, media coverage, funding than the petty complaints of these vested interests. Im amazed you cant see that. you probably can but of your your ego says you have to try beat me instead

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm sure he's on a wind up.

no thats your job

[Marsh.]

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

Or maybe you watch too much rolling news.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

it should mean these serious matters get way way way more headlines, media coverage, funding than the petty complaints of these vested interests. Im amazed you cant see that. you probably can but of your your ego says you have to try beat me instead

Situations of life and death get the big headlines every single day. Does every single one of them make it into the news? No, that's impossible.

Does it mean the life and death situations are priority and should saturate the news? No, we want a variety of all types of news. I for one don't want 90 page newspapers detailing all of the most depressing events in the world every day. It's not helpful and it's not needed.

BIB - No ego involved, I just sometimes can't believe the utter stupidity of some posts.

[Kizzy]

The bank note thingy is Jane Austin getting put on a tenner I think.

[Vicky.]

Basically if the news only reported on the most serious (ie. death..by your reckoning) things happening in the world..every headline would be '500k people die in africa today'. Every story would be along the lines of that too..just featuring different third world countries, possibly with a big earthquake or flood somewhere thrown in now and again for good effect.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

of course the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands isnt sexy news.....neither are disabled issues.

so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Situations of life and death get the big headlines every single day. Does every single one of them make it into the news? No, that's impossible.

Does it mean the life and death situations are priority and should saturate the news? No, we want a variety of all types of news. I for one don't want 90 page newspapers detailing all of the most depressing events in the world every day. It's not helpful and it's not needed.

BIB - No ego involved, I just sometimes can't believe the utter stupidity of some posts.

youve been reported for personal attacks, very poor show.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

Or maybe you watch too much rolling news.

I dont believe you. its been on the news loads of times.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

of course the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands isnt sexy news.....neither are disabled issues.

so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

And here lies the problem. People simply aren't interested in hearing about blood clots and such when theres such things as the Saville scandal floating about. Its sad but true.

Scandal sells more than real life. Look at the ****ing madeleine mccann rubbish thats STILL in todays papers, despite being 7 (?) years ago and thousands of kids going missing after her with no mention on the news.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by the truth

its had more headlines than the deaths of 100s of thousands of innocents in nhs hospitals from undiagnosed blood clots that they developed whilst in hospital....so you think its right our news spends more time and resources reporting on women on bank notes than the avoidable DEATHS OF hundreds of thousands? you call that intelligent moral prioritising of issues?

How do you justify all the headlines and general airtime, wasted on religion then, a few headlines about banknotes wouldn't even touch that, not to mention the millions of deaths over the years in the name of religion?

Just think of the airtime we could give to all those supposed thousands dying from blood clots in nhs hospitals if we stopped reporting on any religious issues and conflicts.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And here lies the problem. People simply aren't interested in hearing about blood clots and such when theres such things as the Saville scandal floating about. Its sad but true.

Scandal sells more than real life. Look at the ****ing madeleine mccann rubbish thats STILL in todays papers, despite being 7 (?) years ago and thousands of kids going missing after her with no mention on the news.

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

How do you justify all the headlines and general airtime, wasted on religion then, a few headlines about banknotes wouldn't even touch that, not to mention the millions of deaths over the years in the name of religion?

Just think of the airtime we could give to all those supposed thousands dying from blood clots in nhs hospitals if we stopped reporting on any religious issues and conflicts.

religious issues? what do you mean? are you one of those who thinks wars are always over religion? when in fact theyre always over power, land , oil, wealth , control....religion is a mere tool...without which youve have just as many wars and even more disorder

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

How many updates are made to the Jimmy Saville case compared to the others? You've got to factor in how much new information is uncovered moving forward.

I never said I couldn't care less about other under represented groups.
I said that under represented disabled people doesn't undermine issues faced by other groups. It's not a competition and they all have a right. You are the one undermining other groups by claiming issues faced by black people is "trivial".

Who said I'm "speaking for the rest of the world"? What on earth are you talking about? That has no relevance to anything I've posted.

You're either completely ignoring my point or taking the piss.

Originally Posted by the truth

so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

So someone should be brought into the BB House because they're in a wheelchair? Maybe all wheelchair bound people who auditioned weren't interesting enough people?

Disabled wise, plenty have been in the BB house. Why are you now differentiating between wheelchair users and other equally disabled people?

Also Coronation Street has one wheelchair user, why does there need to be more. It's a show that depicts the inhabitants of ONE street in the whole country.

How many more until they have hit the marker? One more? 10 more? What's the minimum requirement?