[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niall

I know, and that's completely disgusting too. But just because it's a religion doesn't mean it should be condoned. I actually think it's even more wrong to let them fester with such toxic opinions given the wide spectrum of people they influence - and I don't just single out the Catholic Church in this, I used it as an example because it's the one I'm most closely acquainted with.

It just really irks me to see groups get carte blanche over these matters just because they believe 'God says so'. Especially given the fact that in another 100 years they'll only adopt the views of wider society anyway.

theres the same small percentage of pervert in any organization, the church, the bbc, the media, the trade unions etc etc theres no point singling out one over the others

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

aw that's awful Ammi, my kids have been aware of homosexuality since they were quite young and neither of them would bat an eyelid at a gay couple or think there was anything strange about gay marriage and I think that's the right way to go about things and to really nip homophobia in the bud

lets hope Christians get as much leeway to express themselves too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

lets hope Christians get as much leeway to express themselves too

Well, their schools are Catholic run (as are 90 odd percent of all schools in Ireland) so yeah they get to express themselves plenty

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, their schools are Catholic run (as are 90 odd percent of all schools in Ireland) so yeah they get to express themselves plenty

90 %?

That is sickening

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

90 %?

That is sickening

mmm I think it's something like 96%, which is crazy, it gives you very little options when you're sending your kids to school

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

lets hope Christians get as much leeway to express themselves too

..yeah they do, all religions do even though it's a Christian school, we teach all different religions... when we meet someone and marry them, we kind of take it for granted that we don't have to hide that from anyone and can 'celebrate' it by talking openly about our partners and it's wrong that, that doesn't apply to everyone equally...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah they do, all religions do even though it's a Christian school, we teach all different religions... when we meet someone and marry them, we kind of take it for granted that we don't have to hide that from anyone and can 'celebrate' it by talking openly about our partners and it's wrong that, that doesn't apply to everyone equally...

im glad gay people have equal rights. but the whole subject does bore me to death. hopefully we can all know move on and get on with far more urgent matters, starting with the grotesque NHS cover ups in wales.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, sorry if I seemed as though I was getting on my high horse a bit there because I really wasn't...

Oh, no way. It didn't.

Originally Posted by Ammi

hmmm, it's actually less to do with religion specifically but more of a worrying prejudice that is being carried through generations...at school, we had two marriages in the same year, one heterosexual and one homosexual and the heterosexual one/member of staff is allowed to say, hey this is my intended OH/who I married and introduce them as such to the children..but the homosexual/member of staff isn't allowed to say anything other than ..this is a friend....I know that the children we have are very young to understand sex very much but that would be the same if it was sex between a heterosexual couple or a homosexual couple... so no one is talking about sex as such, just a marriage between two people who love each other..even pre-school children understand weddings and brides/grooms etc and what their perceptions of them are..anyway, so long as male/female marriages carry on being portrayed as the 'norm'/and as the only thing young children are given as 'examples', prejudice and intolerance will continue on and on..as they get older, some views and minds will be 'educated' but unfortunately others won't because they will stay with what was instilled in them from an early age....

Ah, in that case I do agree that the schools need to take a broader approach to education. Even if they are catholic schools it shouldn't be completely governed by that religion.

I mean I went to a catholic school but it didn't stop us being told to use contraception and shown how to stick condoms on tubes. But then I don't know if their attitude to that stuff has changed in recent years.

They should be given as much information as possible to make their own decisions.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

im glad gay people have equal rights. but the whole subject does bore me to death. hopefully we can all know move on and get on with far more urgent matters, starting with the grotesque NHS cover ups in wales.

It's not a one or the other scenario. We can work towards and discuss more than one issue at a time.

I hardly think equal human rights for members of our society is "less urgent" but just a different issue. It's not down to you to dictate what is more urgent.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

aw that's awful Ammi, my kids have been aware of homosexuality since they were quite young and neither of them would bat an eyelid at a gay couple or think there was anything strange about gay marriage and I think that's the right way to go about things and to really nip homophobia in the bud

That's good to hear, hopefully the majority of this generations parents are doing the same as you and homosexuals in school will be seen as regular kids and not the *gay kid.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm I think it's something like 96%, which is crazy, it gives you very little options when you're sending your kids to school

We have a friend affected by this predicament over in ROI. She isn't religious and isn't raising her daughter Catholic, she went to Catholic school herself and hates everything about it, but there are very few options for her. All of the local schools are Catholic run (within a radius of dozens of miles) and the only other option is home-schooling, which would be financially impossible.

I would feel horribly trapped in that situation. There's no way I'd send my kids into a religious education system, but home schooling wouldn't be logistically feasible... No idea how I'd get around it, actually.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

That's good to hear, hopefully the majority of this generations parents are doing the same as you and homosexuals in school will be seen as regular kids and not the *gay kid.

My kids have a set of gay "uncles" (one of my best friends from school, rather than an actual sibling) so for them it's definitely completely normal. I think it's changing all the time. People being openly gay at highschool age was quite rare even when I was there (10-15 years ago), my friend didn't even become openly gay until just after school (although, we all knew anyway). But my sister in law who is just 18 now had several gay friends through high school. It seems to be pretty abnormal for modern teens NOT to have openly gay friends in their group. So I reckon when today's teens are old and grey, the landscape will look very different.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I reckon every high school should gather everyone in the assembly room, give them some popcorn and play this film. Its basically mean girls with girls all competing to get themselves a gay best friend but with all sexualities and cliques becoming besties in the end (you know the teen comedy drill).

That would be my suggestion anyway, sitting people down and making them listen to a serious debate at 15 wouldn't make as much as an impact as sitting them down to watch a teen flick.

Yes a lot of teens are mature and can discuss and debate but lets be real its more effective to teach this way and then open a discussion after viewing.

Naturally the talk will become more in depth as they talk about a character and what right they feel he should have ect instead of sitting in a class and talking about something which doesn't even relate to 95% of those pretending to listen to the teacher.

I should so be a teacher.

Youtube video

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My kids have a set of gay "uncles" (one of my best friends from school, rather than an actual sibling) so for them it's definitely completely normal. I think it's changing all the time. People being openly gay at highschool age was quite rare even when I was there (10-15 years ago), my friend didn't even become openly gay until just after school (although, we all knew anyway). But my sister in law who is just 18 now had several gay friends through high school. It seems to be pretty abnormal for modern teens NOT to have openly gay friends in their group. So I reckon when today's teens are old and grey, the landscape will look very different.

I hate to say it but its trye when I was in high school 12 years ago I picked on the gay kid just because my mates did which is an arsehole thing to do.

Didn't properly come out till I was 22 could never have done it back then. I think people were more afraid of turd burglars than the millennium bug.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I hate to say it but its trye when I was in high school 12 years ago I picked on the gay kid just because my mates did which is an arsehole thing to do.

Didn't properly come out till I was 22 could never have done it back then. I think people were more afraid of turd burglars than the millennium bug.

could you get into serious trouble using the term turd burglars?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We have a friend affected by this predicament over in ROI. She isn't religious and isn't raising her daughter Catholic, she went to Catholic school herself and hates everything about it, but there are very few options for her. All of the local schools are Catholic run (within a radius of dozens of miles) and the only other option is home-schooling, which would be financially impossible.

I would feel horribly trapped in that situation. There's no way I'd send my kids into a religious education system, but home schooling wouldn't be logistically feasible... No idea how I'd get around it, actually.

It is tough, there is a non denominational school in the city but logistically speaking it would be a nightmare and also, I wanted to send my kids to school locally so they have friends in the area and find it easier to get involved in local activities because they know all the kids around. The government are apparently trying to phase out "state" run catholic schools but it's a very slow process and a mammoth task really consider that almost all the schools in Ireland need changing

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope everyone watched Rev last night, it was all about Gay marriage in church

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I hope everyone watched Rev last night, it was all about Gay marriage in church

You know it wasn't a documentary... right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

You know it wasn't a documentary... right?

Its much truer than that!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is tough, there is a non denominational school in the city but logistically speaking it would be a nightmare and also, I wanted to send my kids to school locally so they have friends in the area and find it easier to get involved in local activities because they know all the kids around. The government are apparently trying to phase out "state" run catholic schools but it's a very slow process and a mammoth task really consider that almost all the schools in Ireland need changing

So did you kids take First Communion and Confirmation Niamh or did you opt out?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So did you kids take First Communion and Confirmation Niamh or did you opt out?

They did them which I feel completely hypocritical about but I didn't want them to feel different to everyone else in the school. It's bad I know.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We have a friend affected by this predicament over in ROI. She isn't religious and isn't raising her daughter Catholic, she went to Catholic school herself and hates everything about it, but there are very few options for her. All of the local schools are Catholic run (within a radius of dozens of miles) and the only other option is home-schooling, which would be financially impossible.

I would feel horribly trapped in that situation. There's no way I'd send my kids into a religious education system, but home schooling wouldn't be logistically feasible... No idea how I'd get around it, actually.

Actually I don't see it as a huge deal, my kids went to a Catholic Primary School here in the UK and went on to attend non denominational secondary schools (their choice), many of the kids at Primary were non Catholic but attended because the teaching was superb, the kids that were non Catholic didn't attend the First Communion programme which is not done in schools here anyway but done separately at weekends.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They did them which I feel completely hypocritical about but I didn't want them to feel different to everyone else in the school. It's bad I know.

that's us catholics for you, we can grin and bear anything for our kids.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We have a friend affected by this predicament over in ROI. She isn't religious and isn't raising her daughter Catholic, she went to Catholic school herself and hates everything about it, but there are very few options for her. All of the local schools are Catholic run (within a radius of dozens of miles) and the only other option is home-schooling, which would be financially impossible.

I would feel horribly trapped in that situation. There's no way I'd send my kids into a religious education system, but home schooling wouldn't be logistically feasible... No idea how I'd get around it, actually.

So what would you do if (in this scenario you are unable to home school and private schooling is not an option the two schools available to you were

(a) a failing non denominational school or

(b) a high flying religious school

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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So what would you do if (in this scenario you are unable to home school and private schooling is not an option the two schools available to you were

(a) a failing non denominational school or

(b) a high flying religious school

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