[Josy]

Originally Posted by Z

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I love how people never cared about how their meat was killed but once they see 'halal' all hell breaks loose.

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

Why is this even in the news? The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't. It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.

For most people it's not the meat or the way the animal that's slaughtered that's a 'big deal' it's the principle of them not being told..as consumers paying their money for a product they are entitled to know exactly what that product is.

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

Salman - I know it's not exactly the same but some people disagree with the way the animal is slaughtered with Halal meat, does it make them less important because that's a preference and not a religious opinion?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Josy

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Josy

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

But surely if you want to know if the meat is halal then you would want to know the other methods too? What if it's kosher? What do you call meat that's not halal or kosher? Why do you disagree with it?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Josy

For most people it's not the meat or the way the animal that's slaughtered that's a 'big deal' it's the principle of them not being told..as consumers paying their money for a product they are entitled to know exactly what that product is.

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.


I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.


I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

Yeah, I was thinking that too, I didn't think meat being Halal would stop non Muslim people from eating it, admittedly I had no idea what the halal way of preparing the animal was....................but I have no idea how they do it to non Halal meat either, I don't really want to know either :/

[Me. I Am Salman]

You're embarrassing yourself

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Salman!

You're embarrassing yourself

I think when you mentioned prophets you rather beat me to it...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Salman!

You're embarrassing yourself

Thats what Tibb can be for

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

young lady

Embarrassing.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

Embarrassing.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

why Jess?

Because Salman has a y chromosome as far as I know.

[Brother Leon]

It should be known to people, but The comparison to if it was non halal being sold as halal is abit silly. Muslims and Jews require meat they eat to be Kosher or Halal. If they were to eat out one of the first things they will ask is if it's halal/kosher. You don't see someone asking to ensure that the meat isn't..they just eat it. So the effects are far greater in one instance than the other.

Besides if someone asked if the meat was Halal then who says Pizza Express didn't say it was? If they had been asked and then lied then it would be a problem in my eyes. They probably just didn't feel like they need to make a big deal about..

[waterhog]

this is my 10 cents - its not a proposal - me and katie are not that close

Pizza Express - Katie Hopkins - Halal meat - my invitation - not a proposal 07.05.14

i am not Katie's chum
no high five or any skins
my previous views will leave her numb
but OMG am i backing the Hopkins.
i do understand about majority
to a fire i wont add fuel
absolutely disgusting is the "Pizza Express " authority
my publicity to them is cruel.
i want to gather troops
this is not silly
not getting through hoops
its going to get hotter then a "Mexican Chili".
you are in the British Isles
yet a foreign slaughter is your import
to all your customers gone are the smiles
they will be disgusted with "Halal meat" report.
you will loose trade
growth in sales will cease
you dug with your own spade
because the uk consumers will now pizza police.
Katie your remarks i adore
i loved the friendly remark about "Ebola"
i will supermarket but not "Tesco" score
because me and you must share a pizza and a cola.




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[Jessica.]

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.

Yes

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.

No but many are

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

No but many are

Yes. And many more just stir it for badness.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes. And many more just stir it for badness.

Sure

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...?commentpage=1

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...?commentpage=1

You are a disgusting individual, resorting to taking personal digs at people because you are desperate for someone to agree with you. This thread is about Halal meat.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jessica‪

You are a disgusting individual, resorting to taking personal digs at people because you are desperate for someone to agree with you. This thread is about Halal meat.

Its a comment from the guardian you doughnut

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...?commentpage=1

Visit an abattoir. Then we'll talk about animal rights.

The comment is interesting only because it's both poe-faced and ill-informed. Stunning is being used more and more widely in kosher slaughter.

Anyhoo, this isn't a discussion about kosher meat, and frankly after the performance over my religion last night, no way am I engaging in a discussion about it with an atheist who's kicked off yet another furore over religion.