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Crimson Dynamo · 07-05-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Salman!

well it's a bit awkward that the Prophet's wife Khadijah was an incredibly successful businesswoman and a straight up boss then

Yes and Peter Parker got bitten by a radioactive spider..

Me. I Am Salman · 07-05-2014, 03:26 PM

You're embarrassing yourself

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

Crimson Dynamo · 07-05-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Salman!

You're embarrassing yourself

I think when you mentioned prophets you rather beat me to it...

Josy · 07-05-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

But surely if you want to know if the meat is halal then you would want to know the other methods too? What if it's kosher? What do you call meat that's not halal or kosher? Why do you disagree with it?

arista · 07-05-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Salman!

You're embarrassing yourself

Thats what Tibb can be for

armand.kay · 07-05-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

For most people it's not the meat or the way the animal that's slaughtered that's a 'big deal' it's the principle of them not being told..as consumers paying their money for a product they are entitled to know exactly what that product is.

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.

I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

young lady

Embarrassing.

Samm · 07-05-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

Embarrassing.

Brother Leon · 07-05-2014, 03:39 PM

It should be known to people, but The comparison to if it was non halal being sold as halal is abit silly. Muslims and Jews require meat they eat to be Kosher or Halal. If they were to eat out one of the first things they will ask is if it's halal/kosher. You don't see someone asking to ensure that the meat isn't..they just eat it. So the effects are far greater in one instance than the other.

Besides if someone asked if the meat was Halal then who says Pizza Express didn't say it was? If they had been asked and then lied then it would be a problem in my eyes. They probably just didn't feel like they need to make a big deal about..

Niamh. · 07-05-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by armand.kay

Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.

I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

Yeah, I was thinking that too, I didn't think meat being Halal would stop non Muslim people from eating it, admittedly I had no idea what the halal way of preparing the animal was....................but I have no idea how they do it to non Halal meat either, I don't really want to know either :/

Josy · 07-05-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

But surely if you want to know if the meat is halal then you would want to know the other methods too? What if it's kosher? What do you call meat that's not halal or kosher? Why do you disagree with it?

I don't disagree with any of the meat, if you had read the thread properly you would have noticed my comments saying that. It's the secrecy behind it I disagree with....

And again it doesn't matter what the meats called, there is so many simple ways all of the hassle could be avoided for example they could insert a sentence under the product in the menus saying made with Halal meat or Kosher whatever or they could put something at the bottom of the menu like 'All of our meat products are also available in Halal, Kosher' etc..

arista · 07-05-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

Why is this even in the news?

The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't.

It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.

It was Every TV News Today and every news radio
and Loose Women ITV1HD
and FoxNewsHD

So LT was right to do a thread on it.

Jess its more about the fact they kept the halal meat secret
from the paying customers

Front Page
of the Biggest Selling British paper
no less

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I don't disagree with any of the meat, if you had read the thread properly you would have noticed my comments saying that. It's the secrecy behind it I disagree with....

And again it doesn't matter what the meats called, there is so many simple ways all of the hassle could be avoided for example they could insert a sentence under the product in the menus saying made with Halal meat or Kosher whatever or they could put something at the bottom of the menu like 'All of our meat products are also available in Halal, Kosher' etc..

But would you expect non halal/kosher meat to be labelled too?

Josy · 07-05-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

But would you expect non halal/kosher meat to be labelled too?

I wouldn't no but Muslims would, not really sure why that would be confusing to you.

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

It was Every TV News Today and every news radio
and Loose Women ITV1HD
and FoxNewsHD

So LT was right to do a thread on it.

Jess its more about the fact they kept the halal meat secret
from the paying customers

Front Page
of the Biggest Selling British paper
no less

It's not a secret, there is absolutely no reason to label how the animal was killed, non-halal restaurants don't label how the animals were killed, why isn't that a scandal?

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

why Jess?

Because Salman has a y chromosome as far as I know.

arista · 07-05-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica‪

It's not a secret, there is absolutely no reason to label how the animal was killed, non-halal restaurants don't label how the animals were killed, why isn't that a scandal?

Pizza Express kept it a secret Jess

Feel The Force

Jessica. · 07-05-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Pizza Express kept it a secret Jess

Feel The Force

It doesn't make a secret just because they didn't announce it.

waterhog · 07-05-2014, 03:48 PM

this is my 10 cents - its not a proposal - me and katie are not that close

Pizza Express - Katie Hopkins - Halal meat - my invitation - not a proposal 07.05.14

i am not Katie's chum
no high five or any skins
my previous views will leave her numb
but OMG am i backing the Hopkins.
i do understand about majority
to a fire i wont add fuel
absolutely disgusting is the "Pizza Express " authority
my publicity to them is cruel.
i want to gather troops
this is not silly
not getting through hoops
its going to get hotter then a "Mexican Chili".
you are in the British Isles
yet a foreign slaughter is your import
to all your customers gone are the smiles
they will be disgusted with "Halal meat" report.
you will loose trade
growth in sales will cease
you dug with your own spade
because the uk consumers will now pizza police.
Katie your remarks i adore
i loved the friendly remark about "Ebola"
i will supermarket but not "Tesco" score
because me and you must share a pizza and a cola.

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