[GypsyGoth]

Helen felt betrayed, she reacted harshly with her words and her words in anger got her a warning, I don't think it's that big a deal. Also later when confronted with them, she showed remorse.

I do hope that Ashleigh & Helen patch things up as there is not long left in the show

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Helen felt betrayed, she reacted harshly with her words and her words in anger got her a warning, I don't think it's that big a deal. Also later when confronted with them, she showed remorse.

I do hope that Ashleigh & Helen patch things up as there is not long left in the show

..I don't think they'll patch things up as become genuine friends or have much understanding for each other as such because I just think each sees too much negative in the other for that to happen but I think they'll just try to keep the status quo again and make theirs and everyone else's time a bit better ..(although I think some housemates might want more clashes....)...that's why the 'bitching/and two faced' stuff is annoying as well because there are times when you would just have to do that in such a claustrophobic and forced environment and kind of remember that the BB house isn't 'real life' and it's more a 'survival and self preservation' place...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't think they'll patch things up as become genuine friends or have much understanding for each other as such because I just think each sees too much negative in the other for that to happen but I think they'll just try to keep the status quo again and make theirs and everyone else's time a bit better ..(although I think some housemates might want more clashes....)...that's why the 'bitching/and two faced' stuff is annoying as well because there are times when you would just have to do that in such a claustrophobic and forced environment and kind of remember that the BB house isn't 'real life' and it's more a 'survival and self preservation' place...

Very true, also I could see BB playing past comments to Helen that Ashleigh made or vise versa. If they did become good friends.

And yea I was really disappointing with Winston the way he wanted Helen to go have an argument and his logic behind it was that she wasn't going to win the show anyway, so why be nice?? It must be the money making him so.

And I guess that is one of the main stumbling blocks for them and their relationships in there at the moment, they all would love to see the others mess up and ruin their chances of winning.

[Cold Sweat]

Helen gets a warning.

Ashleigh detractors are up in arms.

LOL

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Very true, also I could see BB playing past comments to Helen that Ashleigh made or vise versa. If they did become good friends.

And yea I was really disappointing with Winston the way he wanted Helen to go have an argument and his logic behind it was that she wasn't going to win the show anyway, so why be nice?? It must be the money making him so.

And I guess that is one of the main stumbling blocks for them and their relationships in there at the moment, they all would love to see the others mess up and ruin their chances of winning.

..it kind of makes you wonder though that we haven't seen a huge amount of Winston in the HL and then they're showing what would be seen in a bad light so is it just the money or could there have been stuff in the past that he likes to stir things/people up and we just weren't shown..?..like has he been that quiet and taken a back seat for weeks and then the 'sight' of the money suddenly perks him up..?....hmmmmm..that would seem quite odd to me as well/not impossible obviously but just doesn't sit right....and you're right, I can see more Ashleigh or Helen conversations played to them before the end...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

Wrong jet,please refrain from generalising.
My first comment on this was people cannot go around threatening people and that the warning was right to be given to Helen.
Not all posts have said it was wrong ,in fact I can't find one that does.

Furthermore,the final warning when given ends with BB 'may',may being the operative word, have to act and remove whoever from the house.
They always cover themselves with the word 'may'.

AS for 2 ,14,20 warnings,look we haven't seen them, Emma on bbbots revealed last night that Helen had got a warning for this issue so really there is no evidence at all of the ever increasing hoped for warnings we are seeing on here and for sure not 20.
We would know if she had 20 warnings.
She may have been talked to a lot more times as to behaviour but 'not' with warnings.

Also as to comparing the 2 of Helen on this issue and Ashllegh as to Christopher.
I recall when I was at Uni, someone having a blazing row and threatening to hit someone but they never did.
I also came across someone having a dispute with another student,then sitting down with his drink and gently saying he would pay him back.

It was the latter who actually did go and hit the person and justifiably got heavily punished for same.
We have no idea who or how people will react,Ashleigh actually said I think she would smash Christopher's face in the mirror,
If you think that is acceptable when said in frustration and anger by her too then that actually amazes me.

I try to be as fair as I can even though I dislike Ashleigh,I have given credit where it is due in my opinion.
However please don't say the posts on here all support Helen and think she was wrong to get another warning when I and many others have not said or indicated that at all.

I wasn't going to respond to you as the the female housemates but I instantly said it was right that helen got that warning,on this thread.
You should acknowledge when making posts that I and others have said that and please don't generalise as to us all.

[bots]

I'm another Helen supporter that does not excuse Helen's behaviour in any way. But, lets be clear, the hm's know that Helen has anger issues and that she has a short fuse and they are quite clearly playing on that as the final looms. Yes, Helen flies of the handle and speaks before she thinks, but the hm's have been putting in snide comments designed to wind her up, Winston was goading her into that argument with Ashleigh and Chris. Helen's "friends" encourage her to behave that way and then stand back and laugh as it all kicks off

[Denver]

Originally Posted by jet

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

How would mathew know? Big brother states they are not allowed to discuss there warnings with other housemates so something tell me he is a lier

[bots]

Originally Posted by adamski94

How would mathew know? Big brother states they are not allowed to discuss there warnings with other housemates so something tell me he is a lier

A friend of a friend of a friend told me, therefore it must be true

The only people that know are Helen and BB. BB have been transparent on this as they have publicly stated the 2 occasions that Helen has received a formal warning. As I stated previously, a formal warning is in writing, so no-one who has access to the actual information can make it up.

I find the comments in this thread regarding this laughable and entirely without any factual base

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

What about Ashleigh's warning for the comment about bashing Christopher head in? oh that's right she never got one...

Yes
is because she is a angel?

[delta]

Non of these housemates are playing a game, what you see is what you get.

Ashiegh comes across as one of the most sickliest housemates ever to grace the BB domain.


There is nothing positive about her it's all negative, she is the sort that sucks the life out of you, all she can do is finger point and criticise, she's in her element when she is dissecting other people's behaviour and what better than when someone else comes to her with an observation then let the cat fest begin.


Shove her out front and tell her to entertain and she's fcuked. Did you see her in the money task where they were supposed to drink that horrible concoction through a tube, she never once made an effort and I noticed the camera kept well away from her.

Admittedly, non of them were really covered in glory on that one, but that isn't an isolated incident- any time she's shoved out front she balks and folds.


All she wants to do is CRITICISE- that gives her and Chris le raison de etre.


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by delta

There is nothing positive about her it's all negative


All she wants to do is CRITICISE


Worst kind of human beings to grace this planet.

Irony alert?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving Ł1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

Yep. Helen would rather have an extra Ł125 than give Ł1000 to charity.

[mizzmee]

Ashleigh probably did get a warning and she probably apologised and she probably apologised to Christopher but we are not shown this.
We are shown Helen's warning to garner sympathy for her as she 'realises the error of her ways'.
I'm sure none of them are saints but I don't think you could imagine Ashleigh actually carrying out her threat. How many times I your life has a friend pissed you off and maybe you've said something like that?
I'm not a fan of any one housemate but I have a feeling that Helen would lash out physically only she is very aware of the cameras.
So if this is a restrained Helen I'd hate to see her without self control.
Any other year, any other housemate, she'd have been long gone.

[bots]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying

[mizzmee]

And to actually bring up a different name I say fair play to Winston for trying to advise Helen to go and speak to them rather than let the anger simmer to boiling point. He was dead right, she should have not mouthed off, she should have gone straight up to Ashleigh and Chris told them she heard their conversation and opened her ears for once and realized everything they said was not nasty and they were actually being quite fair.
But Helen hears what she wants because she is dying for, in her head, a valid reason to kick off.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying

From a quick scan of the thread I'd say it's only you that's saying that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MrWong

From a quick scan of the thread I'd say it's only you that's saying that.

Excuse me? where did i ever say Ashleigh doesn't deserve a warning

You yourself previously brought up Ashleigh's charity involvement - no? What has that got to do with an aggression warning

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Correct me if I am wrong, but are people seriously saying that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?

Statements along those lines are going to decrease Ashleigh's chance of winning, not increase them - just saying

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Excuse me? where did i ever say Ashleigh doesn't deserve a warning

You yourself previously brought up Ashleigh's charity involvement - no? What has that got to do with an aggression warning

I never said you did. See above. You accused posters of saying "that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?"

From a scan of the thread, it's only you that's said such a thing.

One poster replied to another poster that said Ashleigh was a bad egg by countering that she gives to charity, which makes her a good egg.

The negative spin of that discussion was all your own doing.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Who is to say Ashleigh didn't receive a warning for the Christopher thing anyway btw, apparently Helens received 14 warnings or something, we've only actually been shown a couple

[bots]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I never said you did. See above. You accused posters of saying "that Ashleigh doesn't deserve to get an aggression warning because she allegedly supports an animal charity?"

From a scan of the thread, it's only you that's said such a thing.

One poster replied to another poster that said Ashleigh was a bad egg by countering that she gives to charity, which makes her a good egg.

The negative spin of that discussion was all your own doing.

Complete rubbish, consider yourself ignored

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Complete rubbish, consider yourself ignored

Ugh, I'm crushed

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wrong jet,please refrain from generalising.
My first comment on this was people cannot go around threatening people and that the warning was right to be given to Helen.
Not all posts have said it was wrong ,in fact I can't find one that does.

Furthermore,the final warning when given ends with BB 'may',may being the operative word, have to act and remove whoever from the house.
They always cover themselves with the word 'may'.

AS for 2 ,14,20 warnings,look we haven't seen them, Emma on bbbots revealed last night that Helen had got a warning for this issue so really there is no evidence at all of the ever increasing hoped for warnings we are seeing on here and for sure not 20.
We would know if she had 20 warnings.
She may have been talked to a lot more times as to behaviour but 'not' with warnings.

Also as to comparing the 2 of Helen on this issue and Ashllegh as to Christopher.
I recall when I was at Uni, someone having a blazing row and threatening to hit someone but they never did.
I also came across someone having a dispute with another student,then sitting down with his drink and gently saying he would pay him back.

It was the latter who actually did go and hit the person and justifiably got heavily punished for same.
We have no idea who or how people will react,Ashleigh actually said I think she would smash Christopher's face in the mirror,
If you think that is acceptable when said in frustration and anger by her too then that actually amazes me.

I try to be as fair as I can even though I dislike Ashleigh,I have given credit where it is due in my opinion.
However please don't say the posts on here all support Helen and think she was wrong to get another warning when I and many others have not said or indicated that at all.

I wasn't going to respond to you as the the female housemates but I instantly said it was right that helen got that warning,on this thread.
You should acknowledge when making posts that I and others have said that and please don't generalise as to us all.

Quote me as to where I generalized, because I can't find it.
Quote me where I said I thought it was acceptable for Ashleigh to say what she did.

Quoting myself:

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did

I didn't say ALL the posts. If you or anyone else didn't do this, it doesn't apply to you or them.

There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts.

Again, as you see I didn't say all the posts.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people

Once again, only those who it applied to.

She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said.

Point out where I said I thought Ashleigh's comment was acceptable.

No need to lecture me Joey or take what I say personally. It isn't all about you. I read your posts along with the rest and I wasn't referring to you at all, in fact I thought your posts were fair.

Please do not put words into my mouth and thoughts into my head that don't exist.
People generalize all the time - we all do it - but I am usually careful of trying not to and I don't believe I have ever said ALL people do this or ALL posts say that.

I'm sick of this S*** anyway.

[dyfed]

These warning have become a utter waste if time,I always thought you were out on your third warning... Are they waiting for someone to get attacked in there,she is like a pressure pot waiting to blow,she has so much aggression.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who is to say Ashleigh didn't receive a warning for the Christopher thing anyway btw, apparently Helens received 14 warnings or something, we've only actually been shown a couple

The only warnings that have been shown are 2 in week 2, one was for Marlon's sexual comments about Kimberly, the other was for Helen bullying Jale, which was more of a caution than a warning.

In week 3 Helen got a formal warning for threatening behaviour towards Matthew. Was this when she was given a final warning?

Then the warning shown last night.