[Niamh.]

And I still don't get why he didn't use a tazor instead. I just read this on another article


"On social media, commentators noted the irony of police shooting a boy with a replica gun in Ohio -- one of several US states where openly carrying a firearm is legal."

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I still don't get why he didn't use a tazor instead. I just read this on another article


"On social media, commentators noted the irony of police shooting a boy with a replica gun in Ohio -- one of several US states where openly carrying a firearm is legal."

Didnt know Ohio is an open carry state which means that if he'd been some hairy arsed 30 year old man with a permit for his gun then he would be free to openly show his firearm in public. Just amazing.,

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Didnt know Ohio is an open carry state which means that if he'd been some hairy arsed 30 year old man with a permit for his gun then he would be free to openly show his firearm in public. Just amazing.,

It's complete madness.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's complete madness.

With all the unrest and looting going on in the other area I imagine quite a few residents are happy to have a firearm to protect their families and property

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I still don't get why he didn't use a tazor instead. I just read this on another article


"On social media, commentators noted the irony of police shooting a boy with a replica gun in Ohio -- one of several US states where openly carrying a firearm is legal."

if it was a call to an armed suspect then you leave the tazer in the car. They respond to guns with guns.

remember they were told it was an armed man in park pointing a gun around, that is wall they got.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if it was a call to an armed suspect then you leave the tazer in the car. They respond to guns with guns.

remember they were told it was an armed man in park pointing a gun around, that is wall they got.

how do you know what they were told? According to the 911 call we heard, the operator was given the information that it was probably a fake gun and probably a juvenile.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

how do you know what they were told? According to the 911 call we heard, the operator was given the information that it was probably a fake gun and probably a juvenile.

No, I read earlier, i think the NYT, that they were not told this information.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No, I read earlier, i think the NYT, that they were not told this information.

This article?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us...icer.html?_r=0

Doesn't say that they weren't informed that it may fake/he may be a juvenile in that, it says they were investigating what information was relayed and that's it. This is a good quote from that article though :

“The police have to address these things in the proper context,” he said. “This is a 12-year-old boy. This is not a grown man. I’d think you would handle situations with children differently than you would with an adult. They don’t fully understand everything that is going on.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://americangunfacts.com/

interesting graphic

[Kizzy]

That's disturbing... he left the gun on the table and yet they screech up and shoot him at almost point blank range?
It looks more like a GTA hit

[Crimson Dynamo]

so from the video

The youth had his hood up and cap on so it would have been hard to assess age

the cops arrived quick and he made a move for the gun which they thought real


the cops instinctively shot him fearing for his own life



Its a tragic event that could have played out many ways, especially with hindsight.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so from the video

The youth had his hood up and cap on so it would have been hard to assess age

the cops arrived quick and he made a move for the gun which they thought real


the cops instinctively shot him fearing for his own life



Its a tragic event that could have played out many ways, especially with hindsight.

wow I actually can't believe you're still defending the police after watching that video. There was no hanging back and assessing the situation before opening fire, no trying to negotiate with him or anything. There was no people around him so it wouldn't have been risking lives to try and sort the situation out without a dead body

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

wow I actually can't believe you're still defending the police after watching that video. There was no hanging back and assessing the situation before opening fire, no trying to negotiate with him or anything. There was no people around him so it wouldn't have been risking lives to try and sort the situation out without a dead body

You only see a section of the incident. You dont see the cop car before it comes into the scene or what was shouted etc

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You only see a section of the incident. You dont see the cop car before it comes into the scene or what was shouted etc

But you were ready to make all kind of conclusions based n that vid but now you're not sure.

I also dont see how that would change the situation perhaps you should elaborate on yet another of your posts that doesnt seem to make sense. It seems to be yet more if's, buts and maybes on your part. What could the kid have shouted for the cops to roll up shoot him to death within two seconds of arriving at the scene?

[Nedusa]

As I have said earlier in this thread and the other related thread these incidents will continue to happen in the US due to the simple fact that the place is awash with guns and the Police shoot first and ask questions later out of a sense of survival.

The US authorities cannot realistically prosecute or indict these Police officers no matter how absurd the circumstances of their actions ie shooting an innocent youngster black or white or an elderly person or even a disabled person. Because the authorities know if they start sending Police officers to prison where they will most certainly struggle to survive they will lose most of their law enforcement resources.

And then you will have urban Anarchy with the National Guard coming in and trying to police these problem areas with a massive increase in the loss of life.

Even if the authorities try and set the procedures for officers to use their guns , in the heat of the moment untrained or inexperienced officers will always shoot first if they feel threatened.

I do not think this is a racist problem as unpalatable as it sounds a higher proportion blacks in the US are in the category where they confront police than their non black counterparts.

So these incidents of killing unarmed youngsters are more likely to be black youngsters than white youngsters. But that's another debate.

I honestly think the Gun lobby in the US needs to be tackled along with the whole issue of uncontrolled gun ownership. Only when you have taken half a BILLION guns off the streets in the US we might have a chance to address these unfortunate shootings.




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[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

As I have said earlier in this thread and the other related thread these incidents will continue to happen in the US due to the simple fact that the place is awash with guns and the Police shoot first and ask questions later out of a sense of survival.

The US authorities cannot realistically prosecute or indict these Police officers no matter how absurd the circumstances of their actions ie shooting an innocent youngster black or white or an elderly person or even a disabled person. Because the authorities know if they start sending Police officers to prison where they will most certainly struggle to survive they will lose most of their law enforcement resources.

And then you will have urban Anarchy with the National Guard coming in and trying to police these problem areas with a massive increase in the loss of life.

Even if the authorities try and set the procedures for officers to use their guns , in the heat of the moment untrained or inexperienced officers will always shoot first if they feel threatened.

I do not think this is a racist problem as unpalatable as it sounds a higher proportion blacks in the US are in the category where they confront police than their non black counterparts.

So these incidents of killing unarmed youngsters are more likely to be black youngsters than white youngsters. But that's another debate.

I honestly think the Gun lobby in the US needs to be tackled along with the whole issue of uncontrolled gun ownership. Only when you have taken half a BILLION guns off the streets in the US we might have a chance to address these unfortunate shootings.




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WHAT?

Where did you get that information from?

Youtube video

I could post twenty or thirty vids like and its hardy ever black people mouthing off at the cops. IF they did they'd be shot in the street and you'd see nothing wrong. The guy at the end spells it out perfectly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donnie Pastard a local activist with the local anticrime group, Black on Black, told WOIO he doesn't think there was racial malice involved, but that doesn't excuse what happened.

"I do not think these police officers left home to kill a black child. But I do think there's training involved there. There's the race factor involved. This is something we gonna have to talk about, whether we like it or not," said Pastard.

A 14-year-old who was at the scene on Saturday told WOIO they warned Rice about playing with fake guns on the playground.

"It could have been prevented by him going home," he said. "I wouldn't want my life to end so young. Probably had a bright future ahead of him."

On Sunday, state Rep. Alicia Reece, of Cincinnati, announced plans to introduce new legislation requiring that all BB guns, air rifles, and Airsoft guns sold in Ohio be brightly colored or have prominent florescent strips, so there is no confusion. According to federal law, toy and replica guns must have an orange tip on the barrel.

For Deputy Chief Tomba, there could have been a simpler solution to the problem.

"When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed," said Tomba.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-s...with-fake-gun/

[Kizzy]

Then what's the use of having a justice system if the police are judge, jury and executioner?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually Neem this thread title is wrong and misleading and should really be changed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Actually Neem this thread title is wrong and misleading and should really be changed

It's very accurate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's very accurate

No it is not, he was not shot dead for carrying a fake gun and you know that


The Policemen had no idea the gun was fake so it is wrong.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No it is not, he was not shot dead for carrying a fake gun and you know that


The Policemen had no idea the gun was fake so it is wrong.

How about I change it to "12 year old boy shot dead by trigger happy Policeman who was in too much of a gung ho rush to diffuse the situation in a dead-bodyless manner" ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How about I change it to "12 year old boy shot dead by trigger happy Policeman who was in too much of a gung ho rush to diffuse the situation in a dead-bodyless manner" ?

or how about why was a 12 year old boy not in school and wandering around a park with a replica gun made to look like a real gun to anyone but an expert who could examine it?

[Niamh.]

The boy was 12, the gun was fake, the title is accurate. No matter what the Police Officers were told, I watched the video they handled that badly whether they thought the boy was an adult or not

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The boy was 12, the gun was fake, the title is accurate. No matter what the Police Officers were told, I watched the video they handled that badly whether they thought the boy was an adult or not

You are saying he was killed for carrying a fake gun and that is rubbish


He was shot for making a move to pull a gun that the policeman thought was real and unless the officer took the gun in his hand and looked at it for a few minutes there is no way at all he could have known it was not real. At the time of the incident the fact the gun was a replica is a moot point.



The thread title is inaccurate, prejudiced and sensationalist