[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who's to say this wasn't the precursor to anti-semetism?

Originally Posted by Livia

the theory about Jesus being the root of anti-Semitism is quite the silliest, most far-fetched theory I've read on Serious Debates for a long, looong time.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is NOT what I said Livia please don't start misquoting me.

No?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No?

No...

You said 'the root' I said 'the precursor'

It's very different.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No...

You said 'the root' I said 'the precursor'

It's very different.

LOL... right.

Still the silliest comment I've read for a long time.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have to say... the theory about Jesus being the root of anti-Semitism is quite the silliest, most far-fetched theory I've read on Serious Debates for a long, looong time.

Anyway, wasn't this thread about ISIL beheading Christians?

Yes, until it got diverted as usual into the usual Christianity is no better than Islam crap.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes, until it got diverted as usual into the usual Christianity is no better than Islam crap.

Who said this?...

[InOne]

Well that's a new one

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well that's a new one

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well that's a new one

Lasted almost a full minute too

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lasted almost a full minute too

And I'm sure you loved that eh

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

And I'm sure you loved that eh

Are you being crude?.... in serious debates? hang your head

[arista]

Its good the Parents have spoken on the TV news yesterday
and typical that they had no idea of the Romantic Syria Isis Killers

[Kizzy]

It is easy to confuse where the intolerance lies when the Quran has been the onus in so many threads, imo the feeling was muslims were compelled to violence due to what was written?

[Kizzy]

There are #makingastand events being held across the UK

http://asianlite.com/news/uk-news/br...-against-isis/

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are #makingastand events being held across the UK

http://asianlite.com/news/uk-news/br...-against-isis/

Thanks for the link Kizzy. It would be nice to go and cheer them along.
I love the way the Muslim lady is using a union jack as a headscarf!

[Livia]

yeah... can't see them shutting down the centre of London like they shut down the centre of Paris. And anyway, the Paris and Oslo actions were spontaneous, not organised by a promotions company complete with a statement photograph for the campaign.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

yeah... can't see them shutting down the centre of London like they shut down the centre of Paris. And anyway, the Paris and Oslo actions were spontaneous, not organised by a promotions company complete with a statement photograph for the campaign.

Do you not think there would be such a demonstration in London if we witnessed the couple of days that Paris did though? I know we've had terror attacks before as well (which in Lee Rigby's case at least did prompt some demonstrations from the Muslim community against the killers: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-w...ng-islam-wrong) but I think the way that most the world is now uniting against Islamic extremism has meant that opposition to it is now mobilising in greater numbers. It could be that there's a greater appreciation of the problem now, a lot of the backlash to increased extremism originally manifested itself in some uncomfortable ways in this country with the rise of the EDL which made it difficult to rally widespread public opposition. In fairess the founder of the EDL did realise that hence his splitting from the movement and now works with the Quilliam foundation alongside Muslims.

I don't think that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism than they are in France. If anything France has a greater problem with there being a large gulf between a lot of the Muslim community and the rest of France, a lot of them feeling marginalised and disillusioned by French society.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Do you not think there would be such a demonstration in London if we witnessed the couple of days that Paris did though? I know we've had terror attacks before as well (which in Lee Rigby's case at least did prompt some demonstrations from the Muslim community against the killers: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-w...ng-islam-wrong) but I think the way that most the world is now uniting against Islamic extremism has meant that opposition to it is now mobilising in greater numbers. It could be that there's a greater appreciation of the problem now, a lot of the backlash to increased extremism originally manifested itself in some uncomfortable ways in this country with the rise of the EDL which made it difficult to rally widespread public opposition. In fairess the founder of the EDL did realise that hence his splitting from the movement and now works with the Quilliam foundation alongside Muslims.

I don't think that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism than they are in France. If anything France has a greater problem with there being a large gulf between a lot of the Muslim community and the rest of France, a lot of them feeling marginalised and disillusioned by French society.

I don't think for one minute that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism, I just think the mind-set here is different. I don't think they feel the need to be vociferous because people in this country don't require the Muslim community to stand up. The reaction on this forum endorses that for me. When the kosher deli was attacked in Paris, some of the first comments up here were 'I hope the Muslim community isn't caught in a backlash', followed by comments that it was probably a coincidence it was a kosher deli and nothing to do with any kind of anti-Semitism. We have endless comments about Muslims and terrorists being two quite different things, which they are. Yet I have been questioned quite aggressively by more than one person about Israel's stance on Palestine simply because I'm Jewish, indeed, one poster said on the thread about the Jewish man being spat at in Paris, that we have to stop arming Israel.

I think that 7/7 was at least on a par with the Paris incident, don't you? What we're having here now is an orchestrated campaign with professional photographs to encourage people to take part, not a spontaneous outpouring of public solidarity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think for one minute that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism, I just think the mind-set here is different. I don't think they feel the need to be vociferous because people in this country don't require the Muslim community to stand up. The reaction on this forum endorses that for me. When the kosher deli was attacked in Paris, some of the first comments up here were 'I hope the Muslim community isn't caught in a backlash', followed by comments that it was probably a coincidence it was a kosher deli and nothing to do with any kind of anti-Semitism. We have endless comments about Muslims and terrorists being two quite different things, which they are. Yet I have been questioned quite aggressively by more than one person about Israel's stance on Palestine simply because I'm Jewish, indeed, one poster said on the thread about the Jewish man being spat at in Paris, that we have to stop arming Israel.

I think that 7/7 was at least on a par with the Paris incident, don't you? What we're having here now is an orchestrated campaign with professional photographs to encourage people to take part, not a spontaneous outpouring of public solidarity.

It's a bit of a reach to suggest the views of a handful on this forum reflect the feeling in the UK on any given topic let alone this one.
The Muslim community are standing up, I don't understand your point that they're not 'required' to.
As stated the public displays were a reaction to incidents, I hope that along with counter terrorism measures and the orchestrated campaign we can avoid any reactions to British attacks.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a bit of a reach to suggest the views of a handful on this forum reflect the feeling in the UK on any given topic let alone this one.
The Muslim community are standing up, I don't understand your point that they're not 'required' to.
As stated the public displays were a reaction to incidents, I hope that along with counter terrorism measures and the orchestrated campaign we can avoid any reactions to British attacks.

I never said that. Go back and read my post again. I said the feeling on this forum ENDORSES the feeling in the country.

I would explain the rest of my post but it would end up going round in a HUGE circle and end up with you arguing semantics. So no.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think for one minute that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism, I just think the mind-set here is different. I don't think they feel the need to be vociferous because people in this country don't require the Muslim community to stand up. The reaction on this forum endorses that for me. When the kosher deli was attacked in Paris, some of the first comments up here were 'I hope the Muslim community isn't caught in a backlash', followed by comments that it was probably a coincidence it was a kosher deli and nothing to do with any kind of anti-Semitism. We have endless comments about Muslims and terrorists being two quite different things, which they are. Yet I have been questioned quite aggressively by more than one person about Israel's stance on Palestine simply because I'm Jewish, indeed, one poster said on the thread about the Jewish man being spat at in Paris, that we have to stop arming Israel.

I think that 7/7 was at least on a par with the Paris incident, don't you? What we're having here now is an orchestrated campaign with professional photographs to encourage people to take part, not a spontaneous outpouring of public solidarity.

Another sterling post Liv and every point valid.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think for one minute that Muslims in the UK are less opposed to extremism, I just think the mind-set here is different. I don't think they feel the need to be vociferous because people in this country don't require the Muslim community to stand up. The reaction on this forum endorses that for me. When the kosher deli was attacked in Paris, some of the first comments up here were 'I hope the Muslim community isn't caught in a backlash', followed by comments that it was probably a coincidence it was a kosher deli and nothing to do with any kind of anti-Semitism. We have endless comments about Muslims and terrorists being two quite different things, which they are. Yet I have been questioned quite aggressively by more than one person about Israel's stance on Palestine simply because I'm Jewish, indeed, one poster said on the thread about the Jewish man being spat at in Paris, that we have to stop arming Israel.

I think that 7/7 was at least on a par with the Paris incident, don't you? What we're having here now is an orchestrated campaign with professional photographs to encourage people to take part, not a spontaneous outpouring of public solidarity.

Ok that's an interesting point which you might be right about. I wouldn't necessarily consider that a bad thing though, if you are right then doesn't it speak positively of how the Muslim community has largely integrated into our society that people do worry about a potential backlash, and that people are concerned to distinguish between ordinary Muslims and extremists? I would also like to think that Jewish people wouldn't feel out of place here in their own country, maybe that's not as true now as it was maybe ten years ago which is sad if so.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

It will happen, it's happening all over Europe why wouldn't it happen here?
makingastand might be a jumping off point is all.

[Livia]

It's going to be a wasted post, Kizzy. I'm done talking to you today.

[user104658]

The question remains, though. If all tibbers are circular arguers and most circular arguers are tibbers, how many angry tibby rants does it take to bring down a multinational terrorist organisation?

I can't claim to know the answer but I will for damned sure be here to find out!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The question remains, though. If all tibbers are circular arguers and most circular arguers are tibbers, how many angry tibby rants does it take to bring down a multinational terrorist organisation?

I can't claim to know the answer but I will for damned sure be here to find out!!

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