[the truth]

Christians don't threaten to kill people when Christ is questioned. that's all part of his pacificist teachings. the anti Christians here fail to even recognise that. perhaps theyd like a world where only politicians are left to write our values, beliefs, laws, morals, even the ten commandments for us.....

[Toy Soldier]

Kirk I'm just hypothesising - based on a now quite extensive history of your posts on topics regarding Christianity - that you would find some way or to attempt to debunk or disprove the claim. I don't think there is genuinely any evidence or argument that would sway you from Christianity.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Kirk I'm just hypothesising - based on a now quite extensive history of your posts on topics regarding Christianity - that you would find some way or to attempt to debunk or disprove the claim. I don't think there is genuinely any evidence or argument that would sway you from Christianity.

nor should there be, the value of Christs teachings are eternal and will always hold enormous value and have been of enormous benefit to human civilization.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

nor should there be, the value of Christs teachings are eternal and will always hold enormous value and have been of enormous benefit to human civilization.

Quite.

[GypsyGoth]

I hadn't heard about Mithra, that's pretty amazing. If something like that happened today, Christianity would be sued for plagiarism.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Do not swallow any of this baloney Paul. Follow this link:

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-cop...is-pagan-gods/

Or if you believe the Zeitgeist baloney, win $1,000 dollars here:

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

And here's a satirical eye-opener from Cracked.com:

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1710-zeitgeist-movie/

First link says it's no longer avaliable.Read the others.
I saw Zeitgeist a few years back and remember saying to someone that i thought it was a load crap.

The religion part of it i was unsure about because i don't know enough about all those deities to have a valid opinion.However i was skeptical due the BS trend of the rest of the movie and the 'sun/son' comparison never held any water with me.This sounded like a writer grasping at straws to me.

The NWO theories floating all over Youtube i have never believed,To me it is way too far fetched that a small group of greedy elites could control the majority of the worlds governments.They could not imo have the power or the money to do such a thing.Nobody would accept it and they would have been legitimately exposed a long time ago.

9/11 being an inside job imo....Impossible.Not impossible to physically do but impossible to pull off undetected.No President would be stupid enough to attempt it(not even Bush) and would not have the stomach for it or good reason.

I am not religious,For me,The Bible(i've read some of it) is a brilliant,imaginitive piece of writing based on some real people(imo) which although i don't believe most of it,gives amazing insight into the way people thought and lived 2000 or so years ago.
I do believe in Jesus and i do believe that people thought he was the son of god.I believe it is possible he thought he was the son of god.However i don't believe he was as i don't believe in a god.
Their have been so many religions for at least 10,000 years before Christianity and Judaism which died out with the civilisations which created them.
The logical part of me says that todays religions are no different.What makes one of them truth and the rest of them fiction?Specially one as recent as Christianity.Why would god only choose to show himself 2000+ years ago and not millenia before that time?There is so much of the bible that is proven to not be true now,Why should i believe any of it?To me,If some of it is undoubtably fiction then why should any of it be true?

I think religions evolved just as everything else does,I Think this evolution is what makes todays religions what they are(or were 2000 years back) and they would not exist without there predecessors.

I also cannot say for certain that i am right because in the end,I don't know and i don't believe that anybody does.Some people just think they do,Religious and non religious people.
I respect anybodies beliefs even if i don't believe them myself as long as they don't harm others.However it would take an act of god or Jesus to perform a miracle in front of me to make me believe he was who the bible claims him to be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

First link says it's no longer avaliable.Read the others.
I saw Zeitgeist a few years back and remember saying to someone that i thought it was a load crap.

The religion part of it i was unsure about because i don't know enough about all those deities to have a valid opinion.However i was skeptical due the BS trend of the rest of the movie and the 'sun/son' comparison never held any water with me.This sounded like a writer grasping at straws to me.

The NWO theories floating all over Youtube i have never believed,To me it is way too far fetched that a small group of greedy elites could control the majority of the worlds governments.They could not imo have the power or the money to do such a thing.Nobody would accept it and they would have been legitimately exposed a long time ago.

9/11 being an inside job imo....Impossible.Not impossible to physically do but impossible to pull off undetected.No President would be stupid enough to attempt it(not even Bush) and would not have the stomach for it or good reason.

I am not religious,For me,The Bible(i've read some of it) is a brilliant,imaginitive piece of writing based on some real people(imo) which although i don't believe most of it,gives amazing insight into the way people thought and lived 2000 or so years ago.
I do believe in Jesus and i do believe that people thought he was the son of god.I believe it is possible he thought he was the son of god.However i don't believe he was as i don't believe in a god.
Their have been so many religions for at least 10,000 years before Christianity and Judaism which died out with the civilisations which created them.
The logical part of me says that todays religions are no different.What makes one of them truth and the rest of them fiction?Specially one as recent as Christianity.Why would god only choose to show himself 2000+ years ago and not millenia before that time?There is so much of the bible that is proven to not be true now,Why should i believe any of it?To me,If some of it is undoubtably fiction then why should any of it be true?

I think religions evolved just as everything else does,I Think this evolution is what makes todays religions what they are(or were 2000 years back) and they would not exist without there predecessors.

I also cannot say for certain that i am right because in the end,I don't know and i don't believe that anybody does.Some people just think they do,Religious and non religious people.
I respect anybodies beliefs even if i don't believe them myself as long as they don't harm others.However it would take an act of god or Jesus to perform a miracle in front of me to make me believe he was who the bible claims him to be.

An it harm none....Oh, that's a different story

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is possible you simply choose to denounce his teachings and his values simply because of your own personal baggage.... its of no concern to me as your beliefs are of no relevance to me lmao

I don't "denounce his teachings" I don't believe he exists

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..oh I've seen that documentary, Bob...and what I also found interesting with it was that it mentioned the Panorama programme from years ago..(did you see that..)...and some of the people who were involved in intimidating/threatening the programme makers then have now left the organisation/cult and they mentioned it on there....

Yes the Panorama investigation was really good seeing John Sweeney finally lose his temper with them was TV gold. They really are a creepy cult.
The way they flooded the IRS with lawsuits and then offered to make them go away if they were declared a religion and tax exempt was nothing short of extortion its amazing the Americans were weak enough to cave in to them.

Youtube video

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I believe our modern religions are nothing more than a Chinese whisper from ancient civilisations.

I like that, it's concise down to a single sentence. I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in a religion, but I do think that the books that are there to pad out the belief systems are a heap of ****e. Noah did not put two of every animal in a giant ark and ride out a flood that killed all life on the planet. Moses did not split a sea in half and walk right through it. Blah blah blah...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Z

I like that, it's concise down to a single sentence. I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in a religion, but I do think that the books that are there to pad out the belief systems are a heap of ****e. Noah did not put two of every animal in a giant ark and ride out a flood that killed all life on the planet. Moses did not split a sea in half and walk right through it. Blah blah blah...

Z this kind of post can generate a Kirk 1000 word essay post and its nearly the weekend


I can hear him typing now on his zx spectrum

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Z this kind of post can generate a Kirk 1000 word essay post and its nearly the weekend


I can hear him typing now on his zx spectrum

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Z

I like that, it's concise down to a single sentence. I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in a religion, but I do think that the books that are there to pad out the belief systems are a heap of ****e. Noah did not put two of every animal in a giant ark and ride out a flood that killed all life on the planet. Moses did not split a sea in half and walk right through it. Blah blah blah...

the great floods did happen several times....its been proven, they've trawled out the the dead sea and dug out loads of boats dating back 1000s of years including the sea of gallillee boat....the moses story where he split the sea is also an area where the rocks in the middle of the river created the illusion of him parting the seas.....these things did happen though whether all animals were on board or or some animals on board noahs ark who knows...whether there were actual supernatural miracles is open to interpretation...these are literal and symbolic ways of interpreting most things in the Bible....either way you choose to believe or disbelieve it...I believe all these stories have inherent value. stories are not measurements in scientific terms, stories are an amalgamation of incidents events, people, personalities, bravery cowardice, luck , morals etc etc none of these can be measured in purely scientific terms. science and religion do not always have to be in direct conflict, the majority of great scientists were in fact religious themselves.. frankly theyre totally different subjects and the 2 can co exist.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

the great floods did happen several times....its been proven, they've trawled out the the dead sea and dug out loads of boats dating back 1000s of years including the sea of gallillee boat....the moses story where he split the sea is also an area where the rocks in the middle of the river created the illusion of him parting the seas.....these things did happen though whether all animals were on board or or some animals on board noahs ark who knows...whether there were actual supernatural miracles is open to interpretation...these are literal and symbolic ways of interpreting most things in the Bible....either way you choose to believe or disbelieve it...I believe all these stories have inherent value. stories are not measurements in scientific terms, stories are an amalgamation of incidents events, people, personalities, bravery cowardice, luck , morals etc etc none of these can be measured in purely scientific terms. science and religion do not always have to be in direct conflict, the majority of great scientists were in fact religious themselves.. frankly theyre totally different subjects and the 2 can co exist.

well lets just forget about them and move on. We should be concentrating on teaching ALL children at school

All Gods are fake
Supernatural things are not real
Ghosts are made up
Mediums are fake
No one can see into the future

For the sake of the future

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Z

I like that, it's concise down to a single sentence. I don't think there's anything wrong with believing in a religion, but I do think that the books that are there to pad out the belief systems are a heap of ****e. Noah did not put two of every animal in a giant ark and ride out a flood that killed all life on the planet. Moses did not split a sea in half and walk right through it. Blah blah blah...

No, you're right Zee, Noah didn't take two of each kind of animal onto the ark. According to the Bible, he took two of each unclean animal, and seven of each of all the others.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, you're right Zee, Noah didn't take two of each kind of animal onto the ark. According to the Bible, he took two of each unclean animal, and seven of each of all the others.

what is an unclean animal?

that old bastard made them all and now he is saying some are not clean?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what is an unclean animal?

that old bastard made them all and now he is saying some are not clean?

Pigs, camels... You're a bit of a filthy animal Trumpet, but I believe there can't possibly be two of you.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Pigs, camels... You're a bit of a filthy animal Trumpet, but I believe there can't possibly be two of you.

smallest boy LT is coming on a treat

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

smallest boy LT is coming on a treat

LOL... learning at the feet of the master.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Pigs, camels... You're a bit of a filthy animal Trumpet, but I believe there can't possibly be two of you.

There is NO answer to that - Even from the Trumpet.

[Kizzy]

Poor old pigling bland

[Headie]

[Northern Monkey]

The Noah story is'nt just from the bible.Similar things have been written before.The Sumerians had a similar flood story.There are a few theories.There apparently was a flood in around 2900BC.More than likely a regional one though around Mesapotamia not an all life on earth destroying super flood.

[waterhog]

i think what ever storys are going round as long as good can come from it or people get strength its - and if i get struck down i will no god does not want no more poetry.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video