[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

I was really confused about your opinion and I was certain you was actually joking but then i remembered that you were American.

Give a person a gun and tell them its their right, and killing for fun or for revenge doesnt seem like a big deal I suppose.

But obviously killing a lion for fun is wrong, you can argue a case about the world becoming veggies but it falls flat when you say that lions deserve it.

[Kizzy]

Lions only pick on weaker creatures... Are they not top of the food chain? ( if we're unarmed obv)

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Withano

I was really confused about your opinion and I was certain you was actually joking but then i remembered that you were American.

Give a person a gun and tell them its their right, and killing for fun or for revenge doesnt seem like a big deal I suppose.

But obviously killing a lion for fun is wrong, you can argue a case about the world becoming veggies but it falls flat when you say that lions deserve it.

i don't see how it's more wrong than killing a helpless animal like a cow just because you like the taste of it's meat. have you eaten any cow lately? do you have any beef, or chicken, or pork, or any other dead animal, in your fridge at the moment?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lions only pick on weaker creatures... Are they not top of the food chain? ( if we're unarmed obv)

lions are the king of the jungle, that's my understanding, they are at the top of the food chain, and they hunt weaker animals whenever they like. just like humans do.

i have much more respect for a man that hunts a wild lion than i do a man who eats a hamburger that he didn't have to kill himself, and he just pays a few dollars for someone else to slaughter it in a pen and cut off some meat for him without ever having to get his own hands dirty.

anyone who ate meat this weekend, shame on you! please tell us the name of the animal that died for you to eat it!

[Tom4784]

There's a massive difference in killing for food and killing for sport though. It's pretty dumb to compare the two.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

lions are the king of the jungle, that's my understanding, they are at the top of the food chain, and they hunt weaker animals whenever they like. just like humans do.

Male lions in a pride don't hunt,lionesses do that. They don't kill indiscriminately they kill to eat.
They are nothing like humans.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a massive difference in killing for food and killing for sport though. It's pretty dumb to compare the two.

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

Cows are raised for food... Lions aren't :/
There are dwindling numbers of lion hence the huge disparity in their worth to hunters.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Cows are raised for food... Lions aren't :/
There are dwindling numbers of lion hence the huge disparity in their worth to hunters.

To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

yup.

i can't make sense of it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

Such silly strawman logic.

The dentist killed an endangered animal, not for sustenance or to put the lion to good use afterwards but for sport. People eating beef is in no way comparable to killing a lion for sport, we're not killing the animals for the fun of it we're doing it for food.

Being a meat eater and condemning the needless death of an endangered animal is not contradictory, you'd need to have an incredibly simplistic outlook to think that it is.

[Kazanne]

Cows sheep pigs.etc are bred for food and should be killed humanely,lions are not food fodder and are not bred as such,farm animals are not shot and hunted for 40 hours ,then hung on someones wall or floor as a trophy,it's not rocket science to see the difference although if I had my way none would be killed,but I would be happy for a human cull,get rid of the vermin.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Such silly strawman logic.

The dentist killed an endangered animal, not for sustenance or to put the lion to good use afterwards but for sport. People eating beef is in no way comparable to killing a lion for sport, we're not killing the animals for the fun of it we're doing it for food.

Being a meat eater and condemning the needless death of an endangered animal is not contradictory, you'd need to have an incredibly simplistic outlook to think that it is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

That would be fine if we were considering the personal feelings of both these beasts... we aren't.
One is an endangered wild animal and another a captive bred animal
If the roles were reversed and cows had a high price on their heads for poachers I'm sure they would be offered the same sympathy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Cows sheep pigs.etc are bred for food and should be killed humanely,lions are not food fodder and are not bred as such,farm animals are not shot and hunted for 40 hours ,then hung on someones wall or floor as a trophy,it's not rocket science to see the difference although if I had my way none would be killed,but I would be happy for a human cull,get rid of the vermin.

So if given the choice, would you rather be slaughtered and eaten or hunted and hung on someone's wall? My opinion on this dilemma being that "it doesn't really matter, either way I'd be dead, and dead things don't have preferences".

In other words, it's no worse for the lion to be hung on someone's wall than it is for the cow to be in someone's belly. So why do we make the distinction? We make it for us. Because on some level we consider a Lion to be "worth more" than a cow. When people say how awful it is that an animal species could become extinct, they don't mean that it's awful for that species or any member of that species (as for any individual animal, the extinction of their species is no more or less awful than their own death as an individual)... No... When people say that, they mean that it's awful for "us", because we will have fewer pretty / majestic / wondrous things to ogle in "our" world.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So if given the choice, would you rather be slaughtered and eaten or hunted and hung on someone's wall? My opinion on this dilemma being that "it doesn't really matter, either way I'd be dead, and dead things don't have preferences".

In other words, it's no worse for the lion to be hung on someone's wall than it is for the cow to be in someone's belly. So why do we make the distinction? We make it for us. Because on some level we consider a Lion to be "worth more" than a cow. When people say how awful it is that an animal species could become extinct, they don't mean that it's awful for that species or any member of that species (as for any individual animal, the extinction of their species is no more or less awful than their own death as an individual)... No... When people say that, they mean that it's awful for "us", because we will have fewer pretty / majestic / wondrous things to ogle in "our" world.

I don't like that we kill anything but at least we could do it humanely we don't have to cause them so much pain and terror before they die,just to give us our jollies,the slaughter of farm animals is SUPPOSED to adhere to strict rules and we have to trust in other humans to follow that(although we know it doesn't always happen as humans cant be trusted,as for wild life ,why cant humans just keep their greedy,vile mitts to themselves and let things be instead of disguising a barbaric trade as sport,the elephant trade in ivory is abhorrent too as is most killing of animals,we are supposed to know better.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't like that we kill anything but at least we could do it humanely we don't have to cause them so much pain and terror before they die,just to give us our jollies,the slaughter of farm animals is SUPPOSED to adhere to strict rules and we have to trust in other humans to follow that(although we know it doesn't always happen as humans cant be trusted,as for wild life ,why cant humans just keep their greedy,vile mitts to themselves and let things be instead of disguising a barbaric trade as sport,the elephant trade in ivory is abhorrent too as is most killing of animals,we are supposed to know better.

Well said Kazanne!

[user104658]

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

Leather is a by product of beef, cattle are bred for beef. If they weren't bred for beef the cows that make our beef burgers and leather boots would not exist. Elephants are wild animals and hunters take only the tusk. I can't believe I've actually written that considering you really must be joking.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

yes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Leather is a by product of beef, cattle are bred for beef. If they weren't bred for beef the cows that make our beef burgers and leather boots would not exist. Elephants are wild animals and hunters take only the tusk. I can't believe I've actually written that considering you really must be joking.

Again: do you think any of this matters to the Cow?

[user104658]

In simple terms, why is a killing bad for any individual (personal connection aside) other than the creature itself that is losing its life?

And, then, why does it matter whether the creature losing its life was bred for slaughter or living wild?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i don't see how it's more wrong than killing a helpless animal like a cow just because you like the taste of it's meat. have you eaten any cow lately? do you have any beef, or chicken, or pork, or any other dead animal, in your fridge at the moment?

Theres no way you believe the dribble you're writing haha.

[Ammi]

..it was a senseless, pointless, mindless, needless and everything else-less killing..it was a cruel and cowardly killing of a ‘vulnerable’..it matters not how powerful a beast a lion is because when something becomes hunted, they become prey and they are the weaker..this dentist didn’t need to kill the lion to eat, he didn’t need to kill the lion to protect, either human life or livelihood..he only killed it for the adrenalin rush and to try to feel an inflated penis size when he admires his ‘wall of death’..let’s not compare this to any other animal killing that it’s being tried to be compared to because however debatable those situation are, there is no ‘reasoning’ whatsoever with this killing…


..and when people feel abhorrence to acts like this, it’s got nothing to do with them feeling sorry for themselves because it will mean less lions to google and look at their pics or whatever suggested…the abhorrence comes because to many humans, they have to have an understanding of there being ‘a point’..a purpose etc or even a belief is something they can try to understand, regardless of whether they personally agree or not… but with this …with game hunting for self-gratification, there is nothing, absolutely nothing because it serves no purpose at all to anyone, it is taking life totally for self-indulgence and for the sake of taking life…

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In simple terms, why is a killing bad for any individual (personal connection aside) other than the creature itself that is losing its life?

And, then, why does it matter whether the creature losing its life was bred for slaughter or living wild?

I am not on about an animal losing it's life I am on about the WAY an animal loses it's life,farm animals should be slaughtered humanely as they are bred for food,A cow is not shot with a crossbow and left lingering for 40 hours,then shot .Wildlife is different as it is not food,it is killed purely for men to gloat over their trophies,they pay a high price,but not as high as the animals pay.