[Kizzy]

The onus has been on the lower end of the spectrum for so long it may have been a nice change for the angry mob to wave a pitchfork or two at some other demographic but...no, it hasn't happened, in fact they're pitied ...naw, just trying to make an extra million who would begrudge them that?!
Pfffft.

[Tom4784]

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

Who are you attributing that to? No one on this thread has said it

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sad isn't it? I'm wondering if they've put something in the water... this level of socio-political ennui is unprecedented!

I certainly believe its depression with people who are really at the bottom. They either become depressed or they tolerate things so it doesn't consume them, but the 'middle class' are more likely getting high on the shiny fruits of capitalism so they don't really notice or have much interest in what's going on because they wrongly believe it doesn't affects them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Who are you attributing that to? No one on this thread has said it

General attitude of the nation, dear. I'd bet some people here would certainly be grabbing their pitchforks if this thread was about 'Benefit cheats' though.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

General attitude of the nation, dear. I'd bet some people here would certainly be grabbing their pitchforks if this thread was about Benefit cheats though.

Got your crystal ball out have you pet?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Got your crystal ball out have you pet?

No, just remembering past threads about benefits and the kind of replies they'd get but please, try to patronise me while you defend a practice that's leading to your own quality of life becoming worse. I'm sure the Upper Echelon appreciate your support.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

General attitude of the nation, dear. I'd bet some people here would certainly be grabbing their pitchforks if this thread was about 'Benefit cheats' though.

Good strong point, I agree again.
Even against the tiny,yes tiny, few of them that the media struggle to dig up and splash all over their front pages.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

Have to agree with this.

Some people seem more outraged this story has come out than they are with the individuals involved but if it was say a story of a single mum with 8 kids I doubt they'd be so lenient.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

Yep, its a clever form of conditioning. It's why a lot of people find it even unfashionable or distasteful to talk about the political reality.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Have to agree with this.

Some people seem more outraged this story has come out than they are with the individuals involved but if it was say a story of a single mum with 8 kids I doubt they'd be so lenient.

Ah yes, I remember that thread. People begrudged her a car despite the fact she had to commute to Birmingham daily.

Still, she's in less need of help and support then a bunch of rich bastards with the means to hide their assets abroad, I'm sure.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah yes, I remember that thread. People begrudged her a car despite the fact she had to commute to Birmingham daily.

Still, she's in less need of help and support then a bunch of rich bastards with the means to hide their assets abroad, I'm sure.

Exactly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, just remembering past threads about benefits and the kind of replies they'd get but please, try to patronise me while you defend a practice that's leading to your own quality of life becoming worse. I'm sure the Upper Echelon appreciate your support.

I'm sure all those benefit cheats give you high fives all round as well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Have to agree with this.

Some people seem more outraged this story has come out than they are with the individuals involved but if it was say a story of a single mum with 8 kids I doubt they'd be so lenient.

Was she forced to have 8 kids? nope she wanted them and wanted the state to pay for them, no wonder people tune out

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm sure all those benefit cheats give you high fives all round as well

With one sentence, you've proved I'm right.

Quick to label people benefit cheats yet you're okay with tax evasion? How hypocritical.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was she forced to have 8 kids? nope she wanted them and wanted the state to pay for them, no wonder people tune out

And they should be just as outraged over this story.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was she forced to have 8 kids? nope she wanted them and wanted the state to pay for them, no wonder people tune out

Yet you're okay with people hiding their asssets abroad so they can hold on to their 5th houses when the state's cutting benefits and budgets for public services?

Very odd.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

With one sentence, you've proved I'm right.

Quick to label people benefit cheats yet you're okay with tax evasion? How hypocritical.

are you telling me there are no people cheating the system giving legitimate claimants a hard time

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yet you're okay with people hiding their asssets abroad so they can hold on to their 5th houses when the state's cutting benefits and budgets for public services?

Very odd.

Are you saying they pay no tax at all? What about the people who worked hard for their 5 houses?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

are you telling me there are no people cheating the system giving legitimate claimants a hard time

I'm saying that pretty much everyone on benefits needs them and relies on them to live. People who thrive off benefits through playing the system are an extreme rarity, you only believe it's a major problem because you've swallowed the crap that was tailor made to demonise the lower classes. Most people struggle on benefits, it's not easy.

Can you say the same for the rich bastards who evade taxes out of greed? You can't yet you're defending them until the last.

Why are people in need demonised yet the greedy are seen as sympathetic?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Are you saying they pay no tax at all? What about the people who worked hard for their 5 houses?

They should pay their due just like the people who are struggling to hold on to their only house.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm saying that pretty much everyone on benefits needs them and relies on them to live. People who thrive off benefits through playing the system are an extreme rarity, you only believe it's a major problem because you've swallowed the crap that was tailor made to demonise the lower classes. Most people struggle on benefits, it's not easy.

Can you say the same for the rich bastards who evade taxes out of greed? You can't yet you're defending them until the last.

Why are people in need demonised yet the greedy are seen as sympathetic?

Have you any figures to back that up? Once again I reiterate I have no problem paying my taxes to support those in need, but I resent paying to those who play the system and depend on it as a lifestyle choice.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They should pay their due just like the people who are struggling to hold on to their only house.

So if you had a Ltd company and your accountant suggested he could save you a few quid,what would your response be ?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you any figures to back that up? Once again I reiterate I have no problem paying my taxes to support those in need, but I resent paying to those who play the system and depend on it as a lifestyle choice.

Do you have any figures to show that people who play the system are anything more than an extreme minority?

A lot of the people in the area I live in are reliant on benefits to live, a lot of my family would be in dire straits without Working Tax Credits or ESA. A couple of years back I was on JSA for a period of time and it's not something anyone would live on if they had a choice and I can only imagine it's gotten worse with things like Sanction targets and some of the pilot schemes I've heard about.

Through the experiences and stories of people I know and my own experiences I'm willing to bet that less than one percent of people on benefits are playing the system. Nobody would go through that **** if they had any other choice.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So if you had a Ltd company and your accountant suggested he could save you a few quid,what would your response be ?

Given my experiences, I'd pay what I owe just like I do now.