[billy123]

Originally Posted by SocietyIsRuined

As a veggie, I've always wondered if it tasted different from non-halal meat.

No it doesnt.
It is true that apparently a badly slaughtered animal tastes bad due it releasing adrenaline into its body but that doesnt happen with the Halal method of slaughter. I think most peoples objections with Halal slaughter are just a combination of religious/racial predudice and ignorance.

[Cal.]

Why don't all of you just stop eating meat

[Princess]

Well this thread was a headache and a half to read through, pretty much agree with Dezzy. All these people thinking that a certain way of killing is humane, I'd like to see you go to a slaugther house and still call it humane.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Princess

Well this thread was a headache and a half to read through, pretty much agree with Dezzy. All these people thinking that a certain way of killing is humane, I'd like to see you go to a slaugther house and still call it humane.

nobody is saying or thinking that. they seem to be saying it's less barbaric.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

nobody is saying or thinking that. they seem to be saying it's less barbaric.

Incorrectly.

[Jamie89]

Found this online:

This is a statement by the animal welfare group Royals Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals based on reseach by Farm Animal Welfare Committee (FAWC)

It presents a lot of the research that animals do indeed feel significant pain for as long as two minutes.

"Our conclusions ... are that such an injury will result in significant pain and distress ... before insensibility supervenes.
Fawc is in agreement with the prevailing scientific consensus that slaughter without pre-stunning causes pain and distress.
On the basis that this is avoidable and in the interests of welfare, Fawc concludes that all animals should be pre-stunned before slaughter."


As such, it recommends that all animals are stunned before having their throat cut.

These are not anti-religious organisations or cranks, but very mainstream, respectable animal welfare bodies, so worth taking seriously and engaging with the points they make.


Interestingly, in UK the Muslim organisation does not see a problem with this:

The Shechita Council, which oversees kosher meat, was contacted but did not supply a comment. Massood Khawaja, president of the Halal Food Authority, insisted that its animals were stunned. "The Koran says use your brain, ponder about things and that's what we are doing," he said. "It's a question of animal welfare."



tl;dr: "Fawc is in agreement with the prevailing scientific consensus that slaughter without pre-stunning causes pain and distress."



That's all anyone is saying!

Originally Posted by bobnot

No it doesnt.
It is true that apparently a badly slaughtered animal tastes bad due it releasing adrenaline into its body but that doesnt happen with the Halal method of slaughter. I think most peoples objections with Halal slaughter are just a combination of religious/racial predudice and ignorance.

Noone is being racist

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bobnot

No it doesnt.
It is true that apparently a badly slaughtered animal tastes bad due it releasing adrenaline into its body but that doesnt happen with the Halal method of slaughter. I think most peoples objections with Halal slaughter are just a combination of religious/racial predudice and ignorance.

Okay we get it anyone that disagrees is an ignorant secular racist in your opinion

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Incorrectly.

Or correctly depending on what side you come down on

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Or correctly depending on what side you come down on

Your. Bacon. Suffers. Deal. With. It.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Your. Bacon. Suffers. Deal. With. It.

For the 900th time on this thread no one said otherwise

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For the 900th time on this thread no one said otherwise

People are trying to make their own meat eating habits seem more moral / more cushy than others because their meat is slaughtered in "less cruel" ways... they're basically wrestling with their conscience and sense of morality and seeking justification in the idea that their meat is "humanely slaughtered" (as opposed to "inhumane methods").

It's nonsense. Animals during slaughter, and moreso on the WAY to slaughter, experience fear and pain. That latter part is important here. Their suffering is largely all before the stun or killing blow... which means it doesn't really MATTER how the five-to-ten-seconds that it actually takes them to die happens.

Basically all I'm saying is that people who are trying to make themselves feel better about their eating habits by comparing "their meat" to "others meat" as being harvested in more humane ways... need to cut it out. Because it isn't true. They are fooling themselves. If someone has a major issue with animals suffering at slaughter then they shouldn't eat meat full stop. They shouldn't fool themselves into believing that they eat the "OK, less cruel" stuff... ffs. Animals experience pain and fear when they are killed. That's a no-brainer. Some slaughterhouses are worse than others, though the differences are mostly negligible and have absolutely nothing to do with Halal, and are mainly to do with how the animals are transported and herded.

Worry about how the animals are treated in life... that actually makes some sense at least. It seems like people take more issue with a free-range goat being Halal slaughtered, than a caged chicken being "western slaughtered" because the goat took 3 seconds longer to die . Never mind that poor chicky was kept bleeding and insane in a cage for years before being "humanely killed"


Disclaimer: I ****ing love meat and I have very little interest in how many animals suffer to get it onto my plate. Mmmmmm...

[Livia]

Keeping out of this one before Kosher slaughter's mentioned too much and Ken Livingstone turns up.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

Keeping out of this one before Kosher slaughter's mentioned too much and Ken Livingstone turns up.

lmao

[Cherry Christmas]

I blame my iPad Niamh

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I blame my iPad Niamh

You know what they say about workmen blaming their tools

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Livia

Keeping out of this one before Kosher slaughter's mentioned too much and Ken Livingstone turns up.

Is that the one where they get someone to teabag the sheep before slaughter?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Is that the one where they teabag the sheep before slaughter?

I think that's the Welsh.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think that's the Welsh.

Same thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Same thing.

Hey... if they Kosher slaughter in Wales, why don't we move all the Israelis there?!

You may have hit on something Bob. Put it on Facebook...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

silly superstitious claptrap should be banned from the UK like the sensible Danes do. Pandering to such nonsense is disgraceful

[ChristmasNeeve]

Been reading through the thread trying to decide where i stand on this issue and I think I have to agree with TSs last post really. Particularly this part :


it seems like people take more issue with a free-range goat being Halal slaughtered, than a caged chicken being "western slaughtered" because the goat took 3 seconds longer to die, Never mind that poor chicky was kept bleeding and insane in a cage for years before being "humanely killed"

[Jamie89]

I think the vast majority of people on this thread are simply saying that given the choice, when an animal is killed, it is more preferable that it is killed with less suffering, as opposed to more suffering. I know I've probably said that like 3 times now but my god, I just can't understand why people have such a problem accepting it. It has nothing to do with wrestling with a guilty conscious. Nothing to do with racial prejudices. Nothing to do with vanity. And nothing to do with whatever else has been suggested that I may have missed in amongst all the assumptions on this thread. Just simple common sense, surely???

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think the vast majority of people on this thread are simply saying that given the choice, when an animal is killed, it is more preferable that it is killed with less suffering, as opposed to more suffering. I know I've probably said that like 3 times now but my god, I just can't understand why people have such a problem accepting it. It has nothing to do with wrestling with a guilty conscious. Nothing to do with racial prejudices. Nothing to do with vanity. And nothing to do with whatever else has been suggested that I may have missed in amongst all the assumptions on this thread. Just simple common sense, surely???

That's it, how animals are housed pre slaughter is a whole different issue and moving goalpost yet again

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think the vast majority of people on this thread are simply saying that given the choice, when an animal is killed, it is more preferable that it is killed with less suffering, as opposed to more suffering. I know I've probably said that like 3 times now but my god, I just can't understand why people have such a problem accepting it. It has nothing to do with wrestling with a guilty conscious. Nothing to do with racial prejudices. Nothing to do with vanity. And nothing to do with whatever else has been suggested that I may have missed in amongst all the assumptions on this thread. Just simple common sense, surely???

I like you the more and more I see you post, Jamie x

[Kizzy]

Let's not look at the bigger picture then, tunnel vision courtesy of Britain first.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not look at the bigger picture then, tunnel vision courtesy of Britain first.

I didn't realise we were discussing from conception to death and everything inbetween