[Denver]

Someone put the bitch down

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

i swear the same people worship Saskia "people like you have a chip on your shoulder" Howard anyway lmao

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[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jake.

i swear the same people worship Saskia "people like you have a chip on your shoulder" Howard anyway lmao

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

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Hopefully this isn't @ me because I find Saskia just as bad as the rest of her clique

[Daniel.]

If you see my arguments with people, I'm always saying how that was racist so lol

She wasn't a bad person though to be fair

[Jason.]

I don't see how referring to a black person as 'Malteaser head' is any different to someone referring to an Indian person as 'Poppadom' tbqh.

[Jordan.]

Making an ignorant comment doesn't make someone racist in me humbled opinion

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

If you see my arguments with people, I'm always saying how that was racist

I really have heard it all now... I thought you said you weren't an overly PC-person. Can't people have arguments without being branded words like racist because someone has added 2 and 2 together and gotten 5?

[Daniel.]

Trust me loov I am NOT a PC person

But I don't think Saskia IS racist, she said one comment, Anthony said several as well as singing England for the English, Do you know what that means?

[Jamie89]

I don't think 'malteaser head' in itself is racist, because even if it can only be used to describe a black person, that's still not really what racism is. If there's no intent behind it, and the person using it doesn't think they're better than the other person because they're black (or because they have a head that looks like a malteaser), and they're JUST using it as a descriptor (albeit an insulting one) then it isn't racist, it's just an insult. And I think Anthony's stupid enough to say something without considering the possible connotations of it so it's probably safe to assume he wasn't racist (just an idiot).

[Jack_]

Malteaser head is definitely a racist remark, it may not make someone a racist, but the connotations are still there

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Trust me loov I am NOT a PC person

But I don't think Saskia IS racist, she said one comment, Anthony said several as well as singing England for the English, Do you know what that means?

Do I know what what means?

I don't mind if you're saying Saskia's racist, it's the fact you're saying that comment was racist.

[Daniel.]

Hmm yeah I think Jack sums it up

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by TomC

Do I know what what means?

I don't mind if you're saying Saskia's racist, it's the fact you're saying that comment was racist.

I'm saying Saskia wasn't racist because she made one comment.

She said "you have a chip on your shoulder like people like you do" surely meaning black people? What else would it mean...

[zakman440]

Not TIBB being nearly 10 years late to the debate:

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=233625

[EspeonBB]

BBCAN is a better show than BBUK so I support Nikki's endeavours

I wouldn't trust the producers not to **** it up tho

[Daniel.]

Welp zakman's post shows they, as a group. said it a lot, making it worse

[Jamie89]

Justice 4 the general discussions thread?

[Jack_]

Yeah back on topic...

Originally Posted by LukeB

Nikki is 100% right here, BBCAN wipes the floor with BBUK... The format and the show is more interesting than anything C5 has done. BBUK format these days is terrible, not interesting and dry, if someone says they hate someone and they are this and that, they will be evicted but with BBCAN format the public has no say who goes each week and it's guaranteed drama without the fear of losing them.

Every single word of this post is correct

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't think 'malteaser head' in itself is racist, because even if it can only be used to describe a black person, that's still not really what racism is. If there's no intent behind it, and the person using it doesn't think they're better than the other person because they're black (or because they have a head that looks like a malteaser), and they're JUST using it as a descriptor (albeit an insulting one) then it isn't racist, it's just an insult. And I think Anthony's stupid enough to say something without considering the possible connotations of it so it's probably safe to assume he wasn't racist (just an idiot).

This is so stupid. That's like saying all the slave owners during the slave trade days weren't racist because it's what they were grown accustom to and didn't see themselves as doing anything wrong. The N word was uses as 'a descriptor' during those times - is that not racist then?

So basically something can only be racist if there is nastiness behind it?

Whether Anthony was or wasn't racist, Malteser Head is definitely a racist remark, whether he intended to be racist or not.

[EspeonBB]

The Queen of Canada didn't deserve to have ha thread derailed like this!

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

The Queen of Canada didn't deserve to have ha thread derailed like this!

I'm not the cause of it this time

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Hayden

This is so stupid. That's like saying all the slave owners during the slave trade days weren't racist because it's what they were grown accustom to and didn't see themselves as doing anything wrong. The N word was uses as 'a descriptor' during those times - is that not racist then?

So basically something can only be racist if there is nastiness behind it?

Whether Anthony was or wasn't racist, Malteser Head is definitely a racist remark, whether he intended to be racist or not.

I don't think it's comparable to the slave trade or the N word tbh (for like a million reasons, but one being that the slave owners may have been accustomed to it but they still treated black people as less than them which is why they were racist, and the N word is obviously different and a racist word because of it's history (which isn't applicable to 'malteaser head') but even so, yes it can be used in a non-racist way, e.g. rappers etc. So all I'm saying is that the person's intent should be considered instead of automatically labeling someone as racist purely on something they've said (this whole thing only started because it was suggested that Anthony was a racist for saying it.)

[Headie]

Ok but calling someone "Malteser Head" is treating someone as less than you - it's making out that the person is worse than you for being a "Malteser Head", which is an insult only applicable to black people anyway? He clearly wasn't saying it as anything other than to be nasty - and going by your philosophy it's only racist if you intend to be nasty, which he did.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Ok but calling someone "Malteser Head" is treating someone as less than you - it's making out that the person is worse than you for being a "Malteser Head", which is an insult only applicable to black people anyway? He clearly wasn't saying it as anything other than to be nasty - and going by your philosophy it's only racist if you intend to be nasty, which he did.

It's not about 'intent to be nasty', it's about 'intent to be racist', ie, have an actual belief that you're better than someone else because they're black. That's not my philosophy, that's just what racism is. And I don't think that using the term 'malteaser head' is enough to show that he views himself as better than black people, or for him to be judged as racist because of it. I honestly think stuff like this diminishes real racism when it happens. It was just a silly meaningless comment.

[Headie]

^But you're focusing on him as a person, not the comment. Of course he probably isn't racist - he had sex with Makosi in the jacuzzi and she was black

There's no denying however that the comment itself was racist, whether that was his intention or not.