[MB.]

Originally Posted by empire

would these protesters support hillary if she went to war with russia and Iran, likely yes, they are the sort of people who want something for nothing, if hillary threw free money at them in turn support her wars, they would support her 100 percent.

If you'd read the thread then you'd know that most of them don't actually support Hillary

[joeysteele]

I understand the protesters frustrations and annoyance but they may be worrying too soon.

Of course the electoral college system needs looking at and is clearly unrepresentative of actual voting now.

However this man, I think anyway, never expected to be in this position, he has gone from resembling a mad bull to a mouse in just 2 days.
I think he sees the enormity of the task ahead and is actually probably totally unprepared for it,knowing 'all' the decisions he now makes, he will have to be fully accountable for.

Which may mean certainly for his first 2 years he will sort of have to let himself be controlled by his party and advisors on his mission, whatever that mission is now post the election rather than before.
Then after 2 years, he has to start thinking about the next election coming 2 years later, with all the build up and then a years campaigning almost again.

Americans against him come what may,should be looking at ensuring, and the Democrat party particularly should, that he is a one term President.
It could be a 2nd term would be his strongest as to his past rhetoric once he has new confidence and has worked his way round the presidential duties and system.

He is at present like a totally different person following this win, almost now like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
I am starting to think that Trump the president will possibly be nothing at all like Trump the candidate.
All Mister loudmouth on the campaign trail but now that is over really using his ears, both of them, once he takes proper office as president.

Which then will more likely than not end up really dismaying and annoying far more those who voted for him, rather than those who did not.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I understand the protesters frustrations and annoyance but they may be worrying too soon.

Of course the electoral college system needs looking at and is clearly unrepresentative of actual voting now.

However this man, I think anyway, never expected to be in this position, he has gone from resembling a mad bull to a mouse in just 2 days.
I think he sees the enormity of the task ahead and is actually probably totally unprepared for it,knowing 'all' the decisions he now makes, he will have to be fully accountable for.

Which may mean certainly for his first 2 years he will sort of have to let himself be controlled by his party and advisors on his mission, whatever that mission is now post the election rather than before.
Then after 2 years, he has to start thinking about the next election coming 2 years later, with all the build up and then a years campaigning almost again.

Americans against him come what may,should be looking at ensuring, and the Democrat party particularly should, that he is a one term President.
It could be a 2nd term would be his strongest as to his past rhetoric once he has new confidence and has worked his way round the presidential duties and system.

He is at present like a totally different person following this win, almost now like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
I am starting to think that Trump the president will possibly be nothing at all like Trump the candidate.
All Mister loudmouth on the campaign trail but now that is over really using his ears, both of them, once he takes proper office as president.

Which then will more likely than not end up really dismaying and annoying far more those who voted for him, rather than those who did not.

Great points Joey. Looking at Trump slumped in his chair beside the classy Presidential Obama I had the same thoughts as you.
He cynically exploited the paranoia and racial tensions within the country to cause further division and fear for his own narcissistic egotistical desires - he wanted to WIN at all costs. But does he actually really want the job itself? For now he has got it, he has hypocritically done a U - Turn and is even praising 'crooked Hillary' who he wanted to jail a week ago. As you say, the mad bull has become a mouse.
Better he stays that way... for otherwise America is in for 4 years of racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia - all the things it has worked to abolish over the years will have been for nothing, and lord knows what will come of it.
But then, many Americans wanted him and his hateful rhetoric and now they have him - and I too don't think he's going to deliver what they expect, or in the way they expect him to...I hope not anyway, for all our sakes...

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jet

Great points Joey. Looking at Trump slumped in his chair beside the classy Presidential Obama I had the same thoughts as you.
He cynically exploited the paranoia and racial tensions within the country to cause further division and fear for his own narcissistic egotistical desires - he wanted to WIN at all costs. But does he actually really want the job itself? For now he has got it, he has hypocritically done a U - Turn and is even praising 'crooked Hillary' who he wanted to jail a week ago. As you say, the mad bull has become a mouse.
Better he stays that way... for otherwise America is in for 4 years of racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia - all the things it has worked to abolish over the years will have been for nothing, and lord knows what will come of it.
But then, many Americans wanted him and his hateful rhetoric and now they have him - and I too don't think he's going to deliver what they expect, or in the way they expect him to...I hope not anyway, for all our sakes...

Jinxed!



At the risk of repeating myself from the OP... well that didn't take long... I wonder if this will be deleted by his new Chief of Staff or campaign manager.

[Maru]

I'm not surprised at all he toned down his personality. I think he is capable of being humble and conciliatory to others, which is why he doesn't leave only enemies in his wake, but people who do speak overly enthusiastically of him. So apparently he's two faced in that respect

Anyway, personally I don't care whether they protest or not, because that is their right, as long as it's peaceful. Both sides of the aisle have been threatening to put a gun to our heads so to speak for voting or feeling a certain way. i.e. threats of more violence if they don't get their way. I'm just glad that at least so far it has been peaceful and is sparking a conversation in the media.

There are things that aggravate me about this country, like our tendency to police others around the globe. Then there are things that I love about my country... which is the right to freedom of speech, freedom to protest and our strong democracy.

They can protest and be on CNN at night for the next 365 days and it won't bother me. It's amazing cardio to walk the city and to be honest, a good way to meet other people and to reach out and meet other people you would otherwise not be able to meet. Maybe even people you'd not necessarily agree with (because opposites attract in these crowds). However, there is a point when these protests or movements need to get beyond the anger... for some that is violence and it's what I fear most... but then you know, if nothing has been done for you and this strongly affects you, then it surely beats sitting around and doing nothing about it. If Trump had lost, then I think that those of his supporters would (and should) be doing the same thing. This is how democracy works.

Besides, we know those in Washington sometimes have a hearing problem... maybe from all those years spent living the same mindset, listening to the same arguments... sometimes seeing is believing.

[Maru]

So un-American.

[Maru]

He should listen to this man:

Youtube video

[armand.kay]

Hmm I've just seen on twitter that now people are sighting a petition demanding that the electors put Hillary in office because she got the popular vote.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Hmm I've just seen on twitter that now people are sighting a petition demanding that the electors put Hillary in office because she got the popular vote.

Yeah I saw that sometime today and it had an absurd amount of votes. If they did something like that though (which I'd never heard of), it would only make things a lot worse. Not only would it set supporters on either side even more against the other, but would turn the govt upside down on itself as I'm sure many of them would not just idlely go along with this decision...

[joeysteele]

They really would have chaos if they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.

The votes from the individual States for that electoral college are not representing the votes cast by the voters.
A big so called democratic power such as the USA should never have someone as president who didn't get the most votes across the whole country.
That really is ridiculous.
Twice now, with Clinton and also Gore this has happened.

That should not be acceptable anywhere that operates democratic voting.

The UK system is really bad but it is still the case that the party who leads in the voting does usually get to be the govt; or a major part of the govt;
2 exceptions to that in 1951, then also in feb 19974 when Labour became a minority govt with slightly less votes than the Conservatives but held firmly to account by the other parties in Westminster.

However this man in the USA, has been given a resounding mandate from the electoral college while getting less votes overall.
Something is wrong with the way the electoral college votes are set up and distributed for that to be able to happen.

In a country like the USA,seen as a democratic superpower, this is and should be, totally unacceptable.

I say good luck to all protesters who would want to try to get that changed and anyone who wants it changed should be making as much noise as they can about doing so.

[arista]

[They really would have chaos f they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.]



Joey do not get me Angry


go back in time Al gore vs GW Bush
Gore get higher numbers of vote
but GW Bush got the TOTAL tally.


like Farage got 4 million voters
but One MP



Do You now understand
I am not attacking you , its sad you post less now
we are in charge of the World


can you hear me LT.



I was in California in June 2001
a guy walking past outside the Studio
i asked is GW bush gonna be good
to my Shock he said yes I like him?
thats before 9/11.

I hate GW BUSH after 9/11


Its a Busy Night

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[They really would have chaos f they tried to put Hillary in office,even though that is what I would have preferred to see.
They really should, I doubt they will, look at this electoral college votes.]



Joey do not get me Angry


go back in time Al gore vs GW Bush
Gore get higher numbers of vote
but GW Bush got the TOTAL tally.


like Farage got 4 million voters
but One MP



Do You Know understand
I am not attacking you , its sad you post less now
we are in charge of the World


can you hear me LT.



I was in California in June 2001
a guy walking past outside the Studio
i asked is GW bush gonna be good
to my Shock he said yes I like him?
thats before 9/11.

I hate GW BUSH after 9/11


Its a Busy Night

Not sure what your point is arista and I honestly couldn't care if I make you angry, I will say what I think.

I still say strongly, it is ridiculous to have a system where the leader of any powerful Nation that is deemed democratic,can come to power and not have got the most votes in an election nationwide.

You mention, as I did, Al Gore and Bush, well look what happened there when that came about.
Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable.

That resulted too in getting a President in Bush, who was determined to finish the job his Father started in Iraq.
I doubt no good will come from it happening again this time either.

Odd you mention UKIP, you are from what I have read over the years anyway, a seemingly strong advocate of the UKs current electoral system.
That system is the reason UKIP got so many votes and yet only a single MP elected to Parliament.

I do not like UKIP, I do however believe in fairness which is why I now would like to see a PR system in the UK, where people really know when they are voting, that their vote will carry real weight and not be lost.
As it is even moreso now,when a party can get just over a third of votes cast but get an overall majority to do what they like afterwards.
Equally unacceptable to me that is.

I agree totally that it was shocking for so many voting UKIP to only see one MP elected to Parliament from their efforts and votes.
That to me is wrong and what a slap in the face to those voters that really is in a so called democracy.
Yet we dare wonder and question why so many do not vote in the UK.

There is however only one party that will block any way it can and never ever come round to changing our voting system, and that is the Conservative party.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not sure what your point is arista and I honestly couldn't care if I make you angry, I will say what I think.

I still say strongly, it is ridiculous to have a system where the leader of any powerful Nation that is deemed democratic,can come to power and not have got the most votes in an election nationwide.

You mention, as I did, Al Gore and Bush, well look what happened there when that came about.
Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable.

That resulted too in getting a President in Bush, who was determined to finish the job his Father started in Iraq.
I doubt no good will come from it happening again this time either.

Odd you mention UKIP, you are from what I have read over the years anyway, a seemingly strong advocate of the UKs current electoral system.
That system is the reason UKIP got so many votes and yet only a single MP elected to Parliament.

I do not like UKIP, I do however believe in fairness which is why I now would like to see a PR system in the UK, where people really know when they are voting, that their vote will carry real weight and not be lost.
As it is even moreso now,when a party can get just over a third of votes cast but get an overall majority to do what they like afterwards.
Equally unacceptable to me that is.

I agree totally that it was shocking for so many voting UKIP to only see one MP elected to Parliament from their efforts and votes.
That to me is wrong and what a slap in the face to those voters that really is in a so called democracy.
Yet we dare wonder and question why so many do not vote in the UK.

There is however only one party that will block any way it can and never ever come round to changing our voting system, and that is the Conservative party.

Go Joey. Whup that Green Giant's ass - Show him the real power of the LEFT followed by a RIGHT CROSS.

Just joking Arista.

Seriously Joey, I agree with your fair and balanced post, and though I am personally against these type of protests, as long as they ARE law abiding, well, to hell with it, let them protest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.

The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote

simple as

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.

The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote

simple as

Yes like our near dead House Of LORDS
we can not stop them

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, to change the voting system in the USA you really will have to alter the constitution, and that aint happening.

The best way to affect change is to get the people who dont vote, to vote

simple as

Unfortunately - this is so true LT.

[arista]

"Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable."


Its Fecking history now Joey
and the LAW


You can not change their rules
they would attack us
do you now understand


I love Joey
saying he does care if he makes me Angry.


We must Go for a Lunch Joey

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Bush got less votes than Gore, a good half a million less in fact.
Yet became President,I think that is and should be,unacceptable."


Its Fecking history now Joey
and the LAW


You can not change their rules
they would attack us
do you now understand


I love Joey
saying he does care if he makes me Angry.


We must Go for a Lunch Joey

It is their law and I think it needs changing just as ours does too as the electoral system.
Hopefully more will protest about how people vote and get the change needed too.
Which I would support all the way.

I think you misread my post as to me saying I care or couldn't care about making you angry but you are arista a one off.

One day I would love lunch,not crazy about lobster though,would you be paying? and would I need earplugs.
Probably the cafe/restuarant would be cleared once we got going.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is their law and I think it needs changing just as ours does too as the electoral system.
Hopefully more will protest about how people vote and get the change needed too.
Which I would support all the way.

I think you misread my post as to me saying I care or couldn't care about making you angry but you are arista a one off.

One day I would love lunch,not crazy about lobster though,would you be paying? and would I need earplugs.
Probably the cafe/restuarant would be cleared once we got going.

Yes my PA is a Doctor in some Philosophy thing
she is paying for us all.
Its all research

What Food do you Like
Joey?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes my PA is a Doctor in some Philosophy thing
she is paying for us all.
Its all research

What Food do you Like
Joey?

Sounds interesting arista.

I am easy going on food really,I do not eat a lot of meat but will try anything once.
I prefer what I call proper roast dinners however and outside of that it would be Chinese dishes or Italian in the main.

Anyway keeping to the topic here, I hope the protesters get their frustrations out and it seems now today, even Trump has moderated his thoughts on them.
He doesn't appear to be very consistent in his thinking or what he says to me.

[arista]

"Go Joey. Whup that Green Giant's ass - Show him the real power of the LEFT followed by a RIGHT CROSS"


No Kirk
I love Corbyn
he is Real Labour
like it was etc

[Johnnyuk123]

I do wish that Hillary would stop sending her paid mob over to my house when one is trying to get some shut eye. The contest is over Hillary love, you lost.

[Ammi]

..behave yourself Johnny....let her supporters/voters blow off steam a bit, it's been pretty gruelling and so far it's been very peaceful..USA Trump voters have four years to celebrate their victory..(or regret the day they put their tick next to Trump......)...let others show their disappointment/sorrow and have a few moments in time to have their voice...would Trump not want that and approve that with his generosity of heart and gracefulness...(or something like that last bit....)...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I do wish that Hillary would stop sending her paid mob over to my house when one is trying to get some shut eye. The contest is over Hillary love, you lost.

Johnny change the Trump Suck thing


Go back to Farage Laughing



Feck Sack I am on a 32" HD 1080p
LG Monitor.



Please Return to Happy Farage
bugger

[arista]

"behave yourself Johnny."


He like a Little Strong Terrier Dog


He will not back down??????