[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nobody is forcing them to be mods, they can stop anytime.

But they love the power!

Kind of have to agree with this if you don’t like people moaning at you, don’t do the job

[James]

Originally Posted by Smithy

On top of that, I’m not too sure why there is such secrecy around infractions, thinking about it more it seems that the less secrecy around it the less people can complain because it’s there for everyone to see, surely if everyone could see who got infracted for what and how many points were handed out, nobody could ever claim it was unfair because everyone could see it (this idea has only just come to me now it wasn’t an original part of the thread but yes let’s do an infraction list similar to a ban list), so for example if member A calls member B a twat and gets a one point infraction and then member C calls member B a silly billy and gets a 5 point infraction, everyone could see the blatant bias in the modding.

It was changed so that the points are secret - it used to be that people saw the points level. People would just compare infractions points levels for infractions and complain even more.

It's impossible to be 100% consistent with moderating at that micro-level.

i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No, I look at most (I think) of them. 95% of the time no ever accepts they've done anything wrong - as was the case with the appeals forum - as some people are rude, so I generally it's not worth sharing them. There's not much point responding either, it would just be time-wasting, and going around in circles.

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

It's very easy to avoid infractions. If I was just a member on here I wouldn't be getting infractions.

[James]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I know you were joking and I know people think I'm being flippant when I suggest this but these days I'm really not

Just...get rid of it? How about we all just learn to handle ourselves like adults rather than running off to the mods like kids to a teacher? I would much prefer - and think it's a lot healthier - for members to be able to address things and people they disagree with and say what they REALLY think if it gets heated rather than trying to reign it in, which just fosters ill feeling. Let's hash it out. This is the internet, text on a screen, does it really matter if someone is offended? Just give as good as you get.

The way I see it is, so long as threads don't go off-topic too much (which can make the forum messy), so long as people's personal information isn't being used against them, and so long as people aren't making any libellous comments that could get admin into legal trouble, then what other rules do we need?

'It cheapens/spoils the forum' is often used as justification for a lot of rules. Well, let me put it this way...there's a lot of spammy, repetitive, inane or just plain baiting threads that are posted here on a daily basis, and it's those that actually cheapen/spoil the forum and that need dealing with IMO. I'd much rather see two people going at it in a thread over racism than yet another three pager about someone's favourite changing or what Jeremy Corbyn put in the bin last night.

Experience on the forum has shown allowing arguments to go on, or allowing insults, doesn't work. Many people generally don't want to be personally insulted for supporting a housemate or whatever, and are likely to be put off the forum if they get insulted - and that isn't in this forum's best interests. You'll get some people thinking it is alright to insult as a forum weapon, and you'll only be left with those types of members.

Allowing arguments has the effect (in practise) of excluding people from debates.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Nobody is forcing them to be mods, they can stop anytime.

But they love the power!

Its not about Power
it is about members not being Rude to other members

I get warnings

TIBB staff are fair.

[hijaxers]

Well i have always found the mods to be helpful so no complaints from me.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by James

Experience on the forum has shown allowing arguments to go on, or allowing insults, doesn't work. Many people generally don't want to be personally insulted for supporting a housemate or whatever, and are likely to be put off the forum if they get insulted - and that isn't in this forum's best interests. You'll get some people thinking it is alright to insult as a forum weapon, and you'll only be left with those types of members.

Allowing arguments has the effect (in practise) of excluding people from debates.

I'm against the idea of discontinuing infractions/bans but what you're explaining I feel happens despite the warnings. Once the ban is over, or once the infraction runs out, it's back to the normal routine... We're heading for a forum with only those types of members regardless of whether or not you "allow" arguments and insults to occur.

Like somebody else has mentioned, certain members can go on insulting other members for years before they're banned indefinitely... just look at 'The Truth'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Well i have always found the mods to be helpful so no complaints from me.

hi welcome to Tibb

I hope this forum lives up to your last one

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'm against the idea of discontinuing infractions/bans but what you're explaining I feel happens despite the warnings. Once the ban is over, or once the infraction runs out, it's back to the normal routine... We're heading for a forum with only those types of members regardless of whether or not you "allow" arguments and insults to occur.

Like somebody else has mentioned, certain members can go on insulting other members for years before they're banned indefinitely... just look at 'The Truth'.

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

Yes he was banned sine die

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by James

It was changed so that the points are secret - it used to be that people saw the points level. People would just compare infractions points levels for infractions and complain even more.

It's impossible to be 100% consistent with moderating at that micro-level.

But do you not think an implementation of more clear rules would mean it would be easier to be consistent with moderating?

No, I look at most (I think) of them. 95% of the time no ever accepts they've done anything wrong - as was the case with the appeals forum - as some people are rude, so I generally it's not worth sharing them. There's not much point responding either, it would just be time-wasting, and going around in circles.

Is that something that could be implemented though? So that all mods receive a reply rather than just yourself?

It's very easy to avoid infractions. If I was just a member on here I wouldn't be getting infractions.

You don’t post very often that’s why

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

TiBB shutting down, sexist, misogynistic, victim blaming (and after he was banned and decided to make multis) racist and homophonic trash more like

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

I'd say a lot, if not all of his threads were created with the intention of insulting members of the forum and to cause an argument. I think the countless accounts he's made since he was banned proves that he was only around to cause trouble.

[Cherie]

Did people take the truth seriously

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'd say a lot, if not all of his threads were created with the intention of insulting members of the forum and to cause an argument. I think the countless accounts he's made since he was banned proves that he was only around to cause trouble.

how do you know what multis he has made

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did people take the truth seriously

Well if he wasnt serious then he was trolling so justified either way

[Crimson Dynamo]

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

I'll be looking out for new member called LeatherStrumpet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'll be looking out for new member called LeatherStrumpet

ElleT

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ElleT

Much more classy

[Maru]

Nah, leave the system as it is. People need to learn to stop responding to simple baits and just use ignore. It's difficult enough to mod a board as clique-y as TiBB... every deletion/mod I think offends one of each of those groups in one way or another and it always seems to come back to over-modding.

The thing I would suggest instead that would help everyone equally, that mods make it a point to post reminders where the discussion is going off-topic for those users to get back to the original OP. If it is a reasonable transition, either lock the thread or split those posts to another one entirely (usually lock first, split, reopen, etc). This will encourage new thread creation and will also make people feel safer about posting true comments, rather than being concerned they will be ****-posted five minutes later for simply having a discussion...

I'm sure quite a bit of it is on purpose, but TiBB threads almost never stay on-topic and this enables the same 6 people to come in with their same pet peeves to derail the discussion and take it a totally different direction. This is a vast majority of where the **** posts come from.

So it's no surprise that there's only the same 3-4 topics of conversation across the entire board, because this rule is not being upheld.

And you know, some threads are just meant for a humane death.. I think give it a page or two to fall apart and when it's getting stupid, lock dat sh*t tight.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

[thesheriff443]

The truth was telling lies about being in a relationship to continue his propaganda, I feel sorry for him to be honest.

[thesheriff443]

On the forum chuff and dezzy are the two members who's strong opinions devide the forum, pyramid was another member who did it as well, that's a compliment not a dig.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

Nah, leave the system as it is. People need to learn to stop responding to simple baits and just use ignore. It's difficult enough to mod a board as clique-y as TiBB... every deletion/mod I think offends one of each of those groups in one way or another and it always seems to come back to over-modding.

The thing I would suggest instead that would help everyone equally, that mods make it a point to post reminders where the discussion is going off-topic for those users to get back to the original OP. If it is a reasonable transition, either lock the thread or split those posts to another one entirely (usually lock first, split, reopen, etc). This will encourage new thread creation and will also make people feel safer about posting true comments, rather than being concerned they will be ****-posted five minutes later for simply having a discussion...

I'm sure quite a bit of it is on purpose, but TiBB threads almost never stay on-topic and this enables the same 6 people to come in with their same pet peeves to derail the discussion and take it a totally different direction. This is a vast majority of where the **** posts come from.

So it's no surprise that there's only the same 3-4 topics of conversation across the entire board, because this rule is not being upheld.

And you know, some threads are just meant for a humane death.. I think give it a page or two to fall apart and when it's getting stupid, lock dat sh*t tight.

Yes, this kind of thing really applies in SDs more than any other section, we do need to do something about the conversations always ending up back to the same could of topics (Jeremy Corbyn, Trump etc) We've actually been discussing this issue recently so we are hoping to get to some sort of a solution for it