[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one magic thing would make this job very attractive to a teacher

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Are they willing to give teachers a salary that includes

Teaching
Security guard
Armed police

Which would mean tripling the wages at the very least

Along with giving them training in all of these areas? I doubt it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one magic thing would make this job very attractive to a teacher

Spoiler:

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It would want to be a hell of a lot of money, the potential down sides are huge

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It would want to be a hell of a lot of money, the potential down sides are huge

Its America, the dollar bill is King

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one magic thing would make this job very attractive to a teacher

Spoiler:

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A teaching qualification is a degree course but the teaching profession is poorly paid. The kind of person that goes into teaching isn't doing it for money to begin with, so throwing more at them is the wrong answer to the wrong question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A teaching qualification is a degree course but the teaching profession is poorly paid. The kind of person that goes into teaching isn't doing it for money to begin with, so throwing more at them is the wrong answer to the wrong question.

If they are poorly paid they will welcome the extra money, for sure

[user104658]

They're also overlooking something totally fundamental here:

What they're essentially expecting, is for a teacher to aim and fire at someone who is likely to be a student that they have known for years. Now... WW2 stats show that a huge percentage of conscripted SOLDIERS (on both sides) never fired their rifles, or deliberately aimed high, so that they wouldn't actually have to kill anyone. It's one of the reasons that most countries have completely replaced conscription with paid / trained army - because it takes a lot of psychological prep (and a few psychological "tricks") to turn normal people into effective killers.

So basically... there's a very high chance that the vast majority of these "armed teachers" won't actually pull the trigger when it comes down to it, or at the very least, will hesitate for long enough to be shot first.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're also overlooking something totally fundamental here:

What they're essentially expecting, is for a teacher to aim and fire at someone who is likely to be a student that they have known for years. Now... WW2 stats show that a huge percentage of conscripted SOLDIERS (on both sides) never fired their rifles, or deliberately aimed high, so that they wouldn't actually have to kill anyone. It's one of the reasons that most countries have completely replaced conscription with paid / trained army - because it takes a lot of psychological prep (and a few psychological "tricks") to turn normal people into effective killers.

So basically... there's a very high chance that the vast majority of these "armed teachers" won't actually pull the trigger when it comes down to it, or at the very least, will hesitate for long enough to be shot first.

Yeah well isn't that what happened with the on campus Police guy and he was a trained police officer (incidentally I think the backlash he's getting is disgusting)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah well isn't that what happened with the on campus Police guy and he was a trained police officer (incidentally I think the backlash he's getting is disgusting)

Yes, me too.

[thesheriff443]

If you don't have kids going to school in America, it actually means nothing to anyone on this forum, we are just chewing the fat.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you don't have kids going to school in America, it actually means nothing to anyone on this forum, we are just chewing the fat.

Well, if discussing news and world events/politics was predicated on what actually involves us, SD would be a very empty place.

[thesheriff443]

In fact you can be as outrageous as you want in this thread because it's all talk and no trousers.

[Tom4784]

What happens when the Teacher panics in the chaos and accidentally shoot the wrong person? Or, if there's a misunderstanding and a teacher shoots someone they perceive to be a threat when they aren't? It happens enough with trained officers in America, is giving untrained teachers who aren't likely mentally prepared for that kind of situation a gun really the best idea?

[bots]

I don't think teachers is a particularly good idea but armed guards/police are. This also isn't only about guns, its about America breeding generations of people that think their only course of action is to go shoot up a school. Why isn't there more focus on that side of things too

[Vicky.]

[Marches]

You wouldn’t do a shooting if u thought u would die before u got to kill anyone even these psychopaths know that

[Kizzy]

The whole thing is like some black mirror episode... it's just so bizarre I'm just waiting everyday for the next crazy thing to happen :/

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The whole thing is like some black mirror episode... it's just so bizarre I'm just waiting everyday for the next crazy thing to happen :/

Thats life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The whole thing is like some black mirror episode... it's just so bizarre I'm just waiting everyday for the next crazy thing to happen :/

it actually is

[Parmy]

Im sure the gun carrying teacher will have been well vetted, and trained.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Im sure the gun carrying teacher will have been well vetted, and trained.

Just like the all the other guns they hand out in America eh?

[Maru]

Yeeeah....

BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523...es-ben-shapiro

Quoted @ CNN

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

I posted another thread, there's some documentation going around that are obviously only rumors at this point, but apparently some of the media are looking into it. Supposedly Broward County Sheriff's Office had a policy to not arrest students (they had a specific quota), so that the school district got federal grant money for improving their stats.

It's apparently so rampant now that school police are not only in on the scheme, it's an open secret with criminals and gangs that they can use high school students to commit their worst stuff at certain times of the month... because they know it is almost guaranteed they won't arrest them.

Whatever their policy is, something isn't adding up about their response to all this.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeeeah....

BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523...es-ben-shapiro

Quoted @ CNN



I posted another thread, there's some documentation going around that are obviously only rumors at this point, but apparently some of the media are looking into it. Supposedly Broward County Sheriff's Office had a policy to not arrest students (they had a specific quota), so that the school district got federal grant money for improving their stats.

It's apparently so rampant now that school police are not only in on the scheme, it's an open secret with criminals and gangs that they can use high school students to commit their worst stuff at certain times of the month... because they know it is almost guaranteed they won't arrest them.

Whatever their policy is, something isn't adding up about their response to all this.

You Know what Maru..you come across as a loving parent.I come from Africa so I know the importance of having a weapon...but your post that I have quoted comes across to me and many globaly as blame anyone but the gun laws....there is something wrong in America right now.....why must citizenes be militrised

[Maru]

Originally Posted by lime

You Know what Maru..you come across as a loving parent.I come from Africa so I know the importance of having a weapon...but your post that I have quoted comes across to me and many globaly as blame anyone but the gun laws....there is something wrong in America right now.....why must citizenes be militrised

I do think the gun laws need major improvement, for example, private sale should be handled through an intermediary so background checks are done. That is a major and often undiscussed loophole. It wouldn't have helped in Parkland though as it was an institutional failure, which is another issue. (edit)

For all the leaks and failures, the rallying cry seems to think the only solution is ban things and run and hide in a corner. Most by folk who have either never owned or are being quite judgemental (which is understandable) so they don't understand that most of the laws they've asked for are either already a law, using false terms or what they're asking is actually a full ban using theur logic... (edit) this is where advocates start to poo poo the stuff being said.. most ppl here want gun laws improved... just not the type the media outcry would have you think would be most effective (thats why some think their agenda is really to push for a total ban)

I do not want schools to give teachers the JOB of protecting the students. However, if a teacher already has a carry permit, then I'm open to them being able to bring it on campus as long as the holster is secure and they've passed background. I don't think it should be allowed across the board as one size fits all because that is assinine. It is legal here already but it should be up to the school to ban, etc if they don't want them on their campus like it is with local businesses...

There is no one size fits solution to this though. That's just too idealistic.

[Maru]

Wow

[lime]

Originally Posted by Maru

I do think the gun laws need major improvement, for example, private sale should be handled through an intermediary so background checks are done. That is a major and often undiscussed loophole. It wouldn't have helped in Parkland though as it was an institutional failure, which is another issue. (edit)

For all the leaks and failures, the rallying cry seems to think the only solution is ban things and run and hide in a corner. Most by folk who have either never owned or are being quite judgemental (which is understandable) so they don't understand that most of the laws they've asked for are either already a law, using false terms or what they're asking is actually a full ban using theur logic... (edit) this is where advocates start to poo poo the stuff being said.. most ppl here want gun laws improved... just not the type the media outcry would have you think would be most effective (thats why some think their agenda is really to push for a total ban)
I do not want schools to give teachers the JOB of protecting the students. However, if a teacher already has a carry permit, then I'm open to them being able to bring it on campus as long as the holster is secure and they've passed background. I don't think it should be allowed across the board as one size fits all because that is assinine. It is legal here already but it should be up to the school to ban, etc if they don't want them on their campus like it is with local businesses...

There is no one size fits solution to this though. That's just too idealistic.

I maru like many others have no plan to ban Americans from holding weapons..what is bizare to to us is the need to hold a Auto or a semi Auto weapon..they are military weapons