[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm sorry, but on this - as with most subjects on here - I will adhere to my intuition, logic and personal experience.

T.S - I respect your qualification, but to be honest, as far as I am concerned,'facts' from the fields of psychology and cognitive neuroscience are not facts at all but mere 'theory'.

In my opinion, and as far as psychologists and psychiatrists are concerned, a great number of them need to heed the advice of Jesus in Luke 4.23; 'Physician, heal thyself' because they are among the loopiest people in existence.

If not for the 'expert' input of some of them at parole board hearings certifying the would-be parolees as 'cured', many twisted evil killers would NOT have been released early from their long prison sentences to kill again.

I know that every human is 'different' mentally and psychologically and that we all react to 'stress' differently, but all over the planet throughout history, there have been and are mothers who struggle to fend off debt whilst raising multiple kids and though some of them may, at times, have had temporary lapses of memory, they did not forget all about a 3 months old baby for almost an entire day.

And THAT is my point; that this was a 3 months old baby.

Which parent - no matter how stressed or distracted they might be, could spend a full day without their virtual new-born baby entering their thoughts?

Seriously?

And would not thinking about that baby have 'jogged' her memory? - caused doubts to surface about whether she HAD dropped off the baby or not?

I have had to turn the car around several times when we had set off for some night out because my wife had suddenly raised doubts about whether she had turned off the iron/her straighteners/locked the door or not - never mind leaving a three months old baby in the back of a searing hot parked car.

LT actually makes a succinct but highly valid point when he said: 'I bet she didn't forget her mobile phone' and I'm sorry but SOMETHING about this whole tragic incident does not 'sit right' with me.

If the story is genuine, then Livia is correct and this 'mother' needs to think very carefully about having any more babies, and if it is not, then I hope the truth is eventually ascertained and this 'mother' gets her just dessert.

How about the advice Jesus gives us in John 8:7 - "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Or how about Matthew 7:1-3 "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

See how easy it is to point to "ancient wisdom" and use it as an excuse to wall yourself in and away from thinking?

What are your issues with the study of the mind?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still can't get over getting out of the car and not noticing, she was going to work so it is not like she wouldn't have her handbag and or her lunch, so you pull up and park, with no reversing in this case as you would see the baby in your rear view, and even if your handbag is in the front seat surely in your peripheral vision you would catch sight of the baby seat, unless the seat was behind the drivers seat but then you get out bang the door, no one closes a car door gently, lock the door even with a zapper you tend to look so again, but maybe the rear windows where tinted,

I was also thinking... surely somebody else would have noticed the child in the car? Assuming she parked in the workplace I would have thought she'd have coworkers going in and out and at least one would notice the child. The whole thing is just bizarre.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think when kids get 'into the system' all nurseries and schools have to do it because attendance is monitored, at private nurseries I doubt they need to do it but they should

Such a simple policy to put in place, all you need is an answerphone, and charge parents an admin fee if they do not ring up, for the staff time ringing them, how many babies lives would be saved they all seem to happen with nursery drop off

This sounds like a very sensible action that could be taken that might save some lives. Though there are always people who didn't charge their phone or can't have calls at work or some other thing.

Maybe some kind of check and double check thing introducted to anti natal classes might help too and health visitors deumming it home as well. Check the car, check again.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This sounds like a very sensible action that could be taken that might save some lives. Though there are always people who didn't charge their phone or can't have calls at work or some other thing.

Its an extra layer of swiss cheese though.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all the memory stuff is just fine but does any of it explain forgetting ALL DAY?

Yes. Because, again, they're not forgetting the baby exists, they think they have already dropped the baby off with who they are supposed to be with.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How about the advice Jesus gives us in John 8:7 - "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Or how about Matthew 7:1-3 "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

See how easy it is to point to "ancient wisdom" and use it as an excuse to wall yourself in and away from thinking?

What are your issues with the study of the mind?

What the **** are you waffling on about now?

First the emboldened:

What is your issue with me should be the question because you keep leaping in all confrontational but then shy away without answering once I take you on?

And look at that sig of yours where you have quoted me out of context - what is THAT all about?

You asked me a ludicrous question in a post: "Have you met any humans, Kirk?" and I answered you in the same fashion, yet for some idiotic reason known only to yourself, you chose to use my response in your sig.

Anyway, back to this from you:

What the hell do those quotes from the Gospels have to do with anything?
And as for:

"See how easy it is to point to "ancient wisdom" and use it as an excuse to wall yourself in and away from thinking?

You are a joker my old son. Where in my post does the use of a quote which is relevant to underscoring what I am saying in that post, justify you interpreting that I am 'walling myself in away from thinking'?

No one who knows me in 'real life' would accuse me of not being a 'thinker' and I am confident that - love me or hate me - no other member on here would accuse me of not being a thinker either.

To be honest, your post is just meaningless waffle based on your own misinterpretation and it really says NOTHING and adds NOTHING to this debate.

I have no problem with 'the study of the mind', but I do not believe that all conclusions hailing from such studies are infallible fact, and - as in all professions - there are good and bad 'experts' and quite a few appalling ones.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am just looking at the more likely scenario

So every person this has ever happened to must have been on drugs.

But, wait, they weren't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes. Because, again, they're not forgetting the baby exists, they think they have already dropped the baby off with who they are supposed to be with.

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

yep, especially single moms/dads who have to work all day long and when they come home they have nothing in their cupboards

is that what you mean LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So every person this has ever happened to must have been on drugs.

But, wait, they weren't.

It seems to happen a lot in the USA and they have an opiate and painkiller crisis

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yep, especially single moms/dads who have to work all day long and when they come home they have nothing in their cupboards

is that what you mean LT?

its isnt no

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

Its easy to justify using cod science and theory as Kirk states. Do you know if this lady was on any strong prescribed or otherwise medication?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its easy to justify using cod science and theory as Kirk states. Do you know if this lady was on any strong prescribed or otherwise medication?

Not talking about science. The article goes in depth with the details of a number of the cases along with district attorney's explanations as to why they opted to bring criminal charges (or not in some cases).

But if you want to carry on assuming they simply just forget the existence of their children... just because, carry on...

And none of the cases discussed in the article mention any kind of drugs or alcohol playing any part.

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No, I don't. Do you? You seem obsessed with self medicating.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

exactly, true about the link in Vicky's post, it does explain this really well

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not talking about science. The article goes in depth with the details of a number of the cases along with district attorney's explanations as to why they opted to bring criminal charges (or not in some cases).

But if you want to carry on assuming they simply just forget the existence of their children... just because, carry on...

And none of the cases discussed in the article mention any kind of drugs or alcohol playing any part.

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No, I don't. Do you? You seem obsessed with self medicating.

No you dont. well, i am reserving any judgement until we do find out.



and by the way marshall, do you see how each time i reply to you I dont need to make a sly dig to make my self feel better?

a concept

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No you dont. well, i am reserving any judgement until we do find out.

Except... you haven't withheld judgement.

I never said she hadn't used meds. I was explaining that this type of thing has happened without the involvement of drugs or alcohol a great number of times.

You are the one making repeated comments about single mothers and drugs. Almost as though you find your misogyny funny.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and by the way marshall, do you see how each time i reply to you I dont need to make a sly dig to make my self feel better?

a concept

You find someone telling you you're not contributing to the discussion or your posts are uninformed a "sly dig"? Or your attempts at humour are falling flat?

I didn't realise you had such thin skin, I'll make a note for future.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No you dont. well, i am reserving any judgement until we do find out.



and by the way marshall, do you see how each time i reply to you I dont need to make a sly dig to make my self feel better?

a concept

no you already seem to do that in the football thread, being anti Man United



but anyway on topic i still am backing my theory, that the mother could've been a workaholic, really stressed and exhausted and that is also how she ''forgot'' him

[Beso]

It wasnt to hot...78degree...maybe the mum thought the kid would be ok in the heat and is scrambling for an excuse.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It wasnt to hot...78degree...maybe the mum thought the kid would be ok in the heat and is scrambling for an excuse.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

[Nicky91]

maybe the car it was too hot, windows were probably closed, sun was shining on it fully

yes that makes it hotter than outside the car

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

Cause shes a ****ing idiot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Cause shes a ****ing idiot.

If she did it on purpose. Which nothing suggests that she did.

But wait.... she'd broken up with a partner so she was a *shudders* single mother. Capable of anything those creatures.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

You never heard of infanticide.....


Recently a woman took her dead baby onto a bus in London and then starting shouting that she had stopped breathing....the poor mite had been killed by her Mum and Stepdad beforehand, its not like its unheard of....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If she did it on purpose. Which nothing suggests that she did.

But wait.... she'd broken up with a partner so she was a *shudders* single mother. Capable of anything those creatures.

Again there have been many cases of kids being killed to get revenge on a partner...