[Ammi]

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

Good point Ammi

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for.....but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

Indeed

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

Well said. Excellent post.

[Parmy]

There was nothing wrong with Lewis on the way to China.. So there was nothing wrong with his fake arse on the way back.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There was nothing wrong with Lewis on the way to China.. So there was nothing wrong with his fake arse on the way back.

Alternatively; he got anxious on "the way there" but kept a lid on it, but the prospect of doing it all again (and for even longer) was too much.

Also he had Bau Bau as a distraction on the first flight

[GoldHeart]

I think once BB announced that the journey will "be shorter" , Lewis thought he got his own way . But I don't think the time duration would ever of been 7 hours ! .

And Lewis had it alot easier the second time round as there was no crying baby.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Alternatively; he got anxious on "the way there" but kept a lid on it, but the prospect of doing it all again (and for even longer) was too much.

Also he had Bau Bau as a distraction on the first flight

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

No...its just your opinion...the only one who knows the TRUTH is Lewis himself.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

Yeah if he got the first class seat with Cameron,he wouldn't have thrown such a hissy fit ! . Pretty obvious .

Like I said if he had genuine panic & anxiety then an upgraded seat wouldn't make a difference .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

If you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them .

I partly agree that Lewis clearly has issues & probably suffers anxiety .

But I'm not convinced it was as bad as he made out in the plane task, he wanted the upgraded seat and because he didn't get his own way he threw a tantrum simple as that .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them .

He does clearly suffer anxiety. No disputing that.

However, theres a difference between anxiety and throwing the metaphorical toys out of the pram as you did not get a privilege. And making out that its because of anxiety, rather than admitting you are just throwing a strop!

[joeysteele]

Also on the 5 hour stint out to China.
He was distracted as to time with being given baby bao bao.
The time back was going to be sitting on his own for a projected 7 hours.

Yes, there were others on the set with him and yes he'd have preferred to have been sitting with Cameron who he feels close to.

However, it may have not escalated to where it went, had he still been made responsible on the return plan with another task.

He handled being given a baby task really well and put a lot into it.
Keeping him occupied, or having someone there to talk fairly privately to at his side, seems to calm any anxieties surfacing in. Lewis.

Considering Cameron had got irritated with Akeem on the outward set up, I actually found it odd those flight attendants, put Cameron and Akeem together anyway on the return set.

[user104658]

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it .

Bless Lewis, he makes me smile

[Liam-]

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby .

With respect, you are putting words into Lewis mouth which he hadn't said.

it didn't happen and he didn't say it, it is conjecture.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .

He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

But he DID tell Kenaley she shouldn't complain about the food as he thought it could cause them to fail. Yet Lewis caused a fail by having a tantrum .