[Beso]

Something doesn't sit right with those mosque sledgehammer attacks.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Something doesn't sit right with those mosque sledgehammer attacks.

What do you mean? Are you suggesting a false flag operation?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What do you mean? Are you suggesting a false flag operation?

Just seems strange that the cops were called, with the caller saying that a man was in the middle of attacking the mosque, they got there within minutes only to find the attack happened hours earlier....someone didn't want the police present whilst the attack was actually happening...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just seems strange that the cops were called, with the caller saying that a man was in the middle of attacking the mosque, they got there within minutes only to find the attack happened hours earlier....someone didn't want the police present whilst the attack was actually happening...

Let's play this out; do you think it could be Muslims who attacked their own mosques?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Let's play this out; do you think it could be Muslims who attacked their own mosques?

Could be..or right wing extremists. ..or gay rights activists...it will be one of the 3.

[arista]

Good no one was injured
in Southern California

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...church-shooter

Austria’s chancellor called Tuesday for authorities to “ruthlessly” investigate possible ties between an Austrian nationalist group and the alleged Christchurch mosque gunman, after it emerged that a prominent far-right activist had received a donation in the suspected shooter’s name.

they're all connected, one big spider web of far right nutters

[Beso]

Not sure, is it us in the uk or the USA and the uk?!!+

[Twosugars]

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

Home brand LT.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

Well actually you **** stirrer it is not clear at all to me with my eysight...or I wouldn't have made a dick of myself cause I would have seen the US...which should be USA anyway..

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47727275

A US man jailed for murder after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville has pleaded guilty to hate crimes at a court hearing.

James Alex Fields, 25, a professed neo-Nazi, was convicted on 29 of 30 counts in a deal to avoid the death penalty.

Fields was sentenced last December to life in prison after driving his car into counter-protesters in 2017, killing one person and injuring dozens.

He previously claimed he acted out of fear for his safety.

Fields travelled around 500 miles (804km) from his home in Ohio to attend the Virginia rally.

The "Unite the Right" march was organised to protest against plans to remove a statue of General Robert E Lee, who fought for the pro-slavery Confederacy during the US Civil War.

Counter-protesters turned out to oppose the rally and dozens of people were injured in violence that erupted.

One, 32-year-old Heather Heyer, was killed when Fields drove at the crowd.



Graphic video of the incident was widely shared on social media.

In the aftermath, President Donald Trump was criticised for saying there had been "very fine people" on both sides in Charlottesville.

Fields' trial continues.

phone footage of the attack

Youtube video

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well actually you **** stirrer it is not clear at all to me with my eysight...or I wouldn't have made a dick of myself cause I would have seen the US...which should be USA anyway..

Specsavers, Parm?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Specsavers, Parm?

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

calling them reading glasses if you complain you can't read posts correctly is a bit of a stretch

[arista]

25 year old USA Nazi Jailed.
Good news.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Far-right groups and individuals caused 66 deaths and launched 127 attacks in the regions between 2013 and 2017. The majority of attacks, according to the findings, were carried out by lone wolfs with far-right, white nationalist or anti-Muslim beliefs.

in the same period the Muslim total was over 5000

around 700 or so in 2018

Thankfully the eradication of ISIS will mean this number will decrease as we go through 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parmy is bang on right

It's USA

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Parmy is bang on right

It's USA

No, he isn't.
Look up any online style and grammar site: US, U.S. or USA/U.S.A are all acceptable

like you also say UK not UKGB&NI

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

No, he isn't.
Look up any online style and grammar site: US, U.S. or USA/U.S.A are all acceptable

like you also say UK not UKGB&NI

The ones with the dots are NOT acceptable.

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ion-membership

Man who plotted MP's murder avoids retrial for National Action membership
Neo-Nazi Jack Renshaw revealed to be convicted paedophile after case dismissed

A neo-Nazi who admitted plotting the murder of the Labour MP Rosie Cooper will not face a second retrial for membership of the banned group National Action.

Jack Renshaw, 23, bought a 48cm (19in) gladius knife to kill the West Lancashire MP and a female police officer against whom he had a grudge, the Old Bailey heard. The plan was scuppered by Robbie Mullen, who was at a meeting in a pub when Renshaw announced he was going to kill Cooper.

It happened just a year after the Labour MP Jo Cox was fatally stabbed and shot by the far-right extremist Thomas Mair.

Renshaw, from Skelmersdale, Lancashire, had admitted making preparations to kill his local MP in 2017 and making a threat to kill the police officer Victoria Henderson, who was investigating him.

However, he denied membership of the banned extreme rightwing group National Action, as did Andrew Clarke, 34, and Michael Trubini, 36, from Warrington.

The jury deliberated for more than 48 hours but were unable to reach majority verdicts on any of the defendants following the retrial. The judge, Mrs Justice McGowan, discharged the jury after being told there was no prospect of them reaching verdicts if given more time.

The prosecutor, Duncan Atkinson QC, told the court that after careful consideration a decision had been made not to seek a further retrial.

It can now be reported that Renshaw is a convicted paedophile who was jailed for 16 months last June months after he groomed two underage boys online.

Jurors at Preston crown court found him guilty of four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

The court heard how the convicted National Action leader, Christopher Lythgoe, 32, of Warrington, and his right-hand man Matthew Hankinson, 24, from Merseyside, were present when Renshaw outlined his plans.

National Action is the first extreme rightwing group to be proscribed by the government since the second world war. It was banned in December 2016 by the then home secretary, Amber Rudd, over its support of Cox’s murder.

Lythgoe reacted to the news of the MP’s death by telling members they would “just shed one skin for another”. The north-west contingent continued to meet in pubs and trained together at a mixed martial arts gym in Warrington, it was alleged.

Mullen, however, became disillusioned and began leaking information about National Action to the campaign group Hope Not Hate. By July 2017, Renshaw was on police bail for making hate speeches, for which he was later convicted.

Having decided to try to die via “suicide by cop” rather than face a seven-year jail term, he bought a large machete to take revenge on Henderson and kill Cooper. Renshaw unveiled his plan at the Friar Penketh pub in Warrington on 1 July 2017. Afterwards, Mullen, 25, from Widnes, Cheshire, reported the threat to Hope Not Hate and Renshaw was arrested.

Mullen, who was granted immunity from prosecution, told jurors: “He said he was going to kill his local MP, Rosie Cooper. I said:” ‘Are you sure?’ and he said: ‘Yeah’.

“He said he would kill her, then try to take some hostages to lure the police officer that was investigating him to try to kill her because she was the reason behind it all. He said his mind was made up. He had bought a machete.”

Renshaw said he would wear a fake suicide vest so he would be killed by police, Mullen added.

As she discharged the jury from returning verdicts, Mrs Justice McGowan told them: “You have obviously worked your way through all the material so we understand and respect the decision you have made.”

She remanded Renshaw into custody to be sentenced on 17 May.

[arista]

Yes good job one of that group gave him up to the Police.
Just in time.

[Liam-]

Doesn’t like foreigners but he’ll shag little boys, we love the hypocrisy of the far right

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-supremacists

Muslims and Jews face a common threat from white supremacists. We must fight it together
From Christchurch to Pittsburgh, the two communities are under attack. It is time to stand united
Jonathan Freedland and Mehdi Hasan


The two of us have been having the exact same conversation for the past decade. About antisemitism and Islamophobia. One of us a Muslim, the other a Jew, we have conducted it in public and in private, on Twitter and on TV. We’ve agreed; we’ve argued; we’ve even wandered off topic to trade tips on how to get through a fast. Now we’ve come together because of the urgent and common threat that we face. Both of our communities are under violent attack from far-right white supremacists.

In Christchurch, New Zealand, last month a white supremacist gunned down 50 Muslims at prayer. In Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, last October a white supremacist gunned down 11 Jews at prayer. Both killers were clear in their loathing of both Jews and Muslims. Both subscribed to the “great replacement theory”, which casts Muslims and other minorities as “invaders” of western societies and a threat to white, Christian majorities. In this narrative, the supposed invasion is a wicked plot orchestrated by the same hidden hand behind all malign events through world history: the Jews. The point was put concisely in an online remark reposted by the Pittsburgh murderer: “It’s the filthy EVIL jews Bringing the Filthy EVIL Muslims into the Country!!”

This is how our haters see us: Jews and Muslims connected in a joint enterprise to effect a “white genocide”. It is an unhinged and racist conspiracy theory – and it has both of our communities in its murderous sights. So there can only be one response: Muslims and Jews must stand and fight it together.

We realise this will not be easy. Both of us are deeply rooted in our respective communities, and we know them well enough to recognise that there are plenty of Jews and Muslims who have long seen the other as an opponent, even as an enemy. Given the deep connection that Jews and Muslims feel with Israel/Palestine, that is perhaps unsurprising.

We understand how this has come about. Jews and Muslims have spilled each other’s blood, in acts of violence that have left deep scars. Jihadists have targeted Jews across continental Europe, whether it be the killing of children in a school in Toulouse in 2012 or shoppers at a kosher supermarket in Paris in 2015. Muslims share the pain of Palestinians living through more than half a century of brutal Israeli occupation, with regular eruptions of violence that have left civilians, including children, dead. To be clear: we are not playing a game of moral equivalence here; rather, we are recognising the reasons for mutual antagonism.

Nor are we denying that there is much prejudice within each community towards the other. Witness the leader of a New Zealand mosque who recently suggested that the massacre in Christchurch was the secret handiwork of Mossad: an age-old, anti-Jewish conspiracy theory in contemporary garb. Or listen to the interfaith activist appalled to discover that a Facebook group of her fellow British Jews was awash with anti-Muslim racism. Across the Muslim-majority world, anti-Jewish tropes and conspiracies have been endorsed and even repopularised. In the US, right-wing Jewish figures have been among the most prominent supporters of the “Islamophobia network”. There is a shared error here: both the Muslim who hates Jews and the Jew who hates Muslims forget that the white supremacist hates them both. But that such people exist is proof that the narrative of white supremacism does not just infect white communities – it can infect us all.

Just as we acknowledge that the communities we were born into harbour prejudice, so we are ready to say the same of our chosen political community. We need no lectures on the importance of tackling antisemitism and Islamophobia on the left as well as on the right. Both of us have condemned Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party for its failure to tackle anti-Jewish racism within its ranks, while one of us has discussed the importance of avoiding antisemitic tropes in conversation with the controversial Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who herself has been the victim of liberal Islamophobes. Both of us have condemned anti-Muslim bigotry in liberal-left circles too, whether it be the British scientist Richard Dawkins comparing Islam to cancer less than a fortnight after the Christchurch massacre, or US TV show host Bill Maher referring to Islam as “the mafia”.

But this is no time for whataboutism. Yes, the jihadist threat to Jews has not gone away. Yes, some liberals have an Islamophobia problem, while some on the left are guilty of antisemitism, both of which can cause our communities to feel fearful and isolated. Fascism, however, is back with a vengeance. The growing and lethal threat to life and limb for Muslims and Jews is now coming not from the far left but from an emboldened and violent far right. In the US, in 2018, every single one of the 50 extremist-related murders was linked to the far right, according to the Anti-Defamation League. In the UK, according to the Home Office, between 2017 and 2018 the number of white suspects arrested for terror offences outstripped those of any other ethnic group – the first time in more than a decade. In Germany, official figures suggest that nine out of 10 antisemitic crimes in 2017 were perpetrated by members of far-right or neo-Nazi groups.

Should we be surprised? White supremacists are on the march. They see Islam as incompatible with western life. We reject that claim wholeheartedly. Jews too were long told their faith had no place in western society: they were wrong about Judaism and they are wrong about Islam.

That these two hatreds are linked on the right is clear, and not only in the minds of deranged killers. A recent Pew survey of 15 western European countries found that “attitudes toward Jews and Muslims are highly correlated with each other. People who express negative opinions about Muslims are more likely than others to also express negative views of Jews.”In the US, a Gallup study in 2010found people “who say they feel ‘a great deal’ of prejudice… toward Jews are about 32 times as likely to report feeling ‘a great deal’ of prejudice toward Muslims”. Put simply, the kind of people who hate one of us are more likely to hate the other too.

Such people are animated by a racist ideology that goes wide and deep, amplified by powerful politicians of the right at the highest levels. Take Donald Trump, who says “Islam hates us”, and bans Muslims from five countries – but also rails against “globalists”, understood by antisemites as code for Jews, and in particular, the antisemites’ favourite bogeyman, George Soros. Or top Brexiter Nigel Farage, who speaks of a “Jewish lobby” and condemns Soros as “the biggest danger to the entire western world” – but has also denounced “wholly Muslim” areas of London and gave us the infamous “Breaking Point” poster.

In our view, it is no coincidence that the rise of Trump and Brexit has been matched by a rise in hate crimes on both sides of the Atlantic targeting both of our communities. In the US, hate crimes against Jews rose by more than a third and accounted for 58% of all religion-based hate crimes in 2017, with Muslims in second place, while in the UK, more than half of religiously motivated attacks in 2018 were aimed at Muslims, with Jews not far behind.

This is the climate in which we are both worried about the safety of our children. We share each other’s fears. And we both welcome signs that others are beginning to do the same. It’s heartening that Muslim groups raised more than $200,000 for bereaved families at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and heartening too that the Jewish Federation of Greater Pittsburgh is now raising money for the victims of the New Zealand mosque attacks.

They are setting an example for us all. It is long past time that we Muslims and we Jews looked beyond our undeniable differences, recognise that we face a common and deadly threat, and agree there is only one way to fight it: together.

• Jonathan Freedland is a columnist for the Guardian based in London; Mehdi Hasan is a senior contributor to The Intercept based in Washington DC