[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed Ammi, I know this individual exists and that they seem to be awful, but beyond that, the story has been latched onto by groups with a very clear and distinct agenda and so the actual facts are clear as mud. People are "OUTRAGED!" about what currently amounts to internet gossip and half truthes and why? I wonder? It seems pretty clear to me that it's simply because they want to. They want to believe that any tidbit of "bad" that can be gleaned from any random forum post on this is true, because it confirms their already-present fears and suspicions about transexuals.

"ReeeEEeeEeee here he goes again Psychic Sally thinking he somehow knows what other people are thinking!!! Misogynist Bob daring to tell women what they think how dare!!"

Just to pre-empt this tired, limp old response: No I'm not psychic, nor do I think I'm psychic, but I'm perfectly entitled to read between the lines when forming my opinions. If you don't like my opinion... well, I don't care so tough luck buddy

With respect TS that is nonsense. People are concerned that new rules are allowing exploitation. We know no more than that, and by doing your own association, you are simply furthering your own agenda which is to silence people that don't agree with your philosophy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With respect TS that is nonsense. People are concerned that new rules are allowing exploitation. We know no more than that, and by doing your own association, you are simply furthering your own agenda which is to silence people that don't agree with your philosophy.

Indeed.

[Ammi]

...what’s not helping this story ...(...imo...)...is that it seems huge in terms of his perversions ...and yet its main focus of interest...(...from any and all media sources reporting it...)...seems to be very focused on one aspect....with other disturbing things more being skipped over...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just going to this for a minute with the thread title and the leaning of the posts being more toward the trans aspect, rather than other stuff....this is how it’s being reported anywhere it is being reported, TS...the main focus of all reported stories is that this person feels a woman cannot say no to touching their intimate parts, otherwise it’s showing prejudice..?..

Exactly and if Yaniv can get to court with that and put women out of business/extort money from them, these new Self ID laws need looking at.

[Kizzy]

And in your eyes she is still the victim...
You haven't passed one comment on the beauticians in this case, where is your concern for their mental health?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And in your eyes she is still the victim...
You haven't passed one comment on the beauticians in this case, where is your concern for their mental health?...

they seem targeted aswell, women who were struggling a bit, single mothers and immigrants who may not have the means to fight their case and stand up for themselves properly

[Vicky.]

Yaniv is a disgusting individual, but the fact that this whole farce has been able to get as far as it has is possibly even worse. Women put out of business for refusing to touch someones balls for ****s sake. I thought this was a joke at first when I first read about it years back. Have referred to balldemort on here before actually in passing. But yeah, of course self ID opens the doors for perverts such as yaniv. Which has always been the feminist argument tbh (though almost always misreprsented as 'you think all trans people are perverts!!!111'). Yes, men will perv anyway, but why make it easier for them..and basically allow situations such as the one thats currently going on.

Have been following this quite closely and tbh, it does seem hes going to lose this, as he should. But that they hav been dragged to court to start with, is ****ing ridiculous and the system really needs to be looked at. Also Yaniv needs treatment for his obvious mental health issues. And locking away from kids forever, too tbh.

Also sorry, **** calling an abusive bloke like this she. Him and his mother are raging racists, ontop of everything else, from the court transcripts. Media might start picking it up now, there was a reporting ban on until very recently, as Yaniv said his privacy would be rbeached, yadayada..but the judge just overturned it as Yaniv has been posting on his twitter about the case.

The women were of course right to refuse. They did not have training in waxing men. Andf its very very different. Hell, if they had done it, they might have damaged him permanently. And honestly, even without that, just the fact they didn't want to touch his dick should be enough to lose the matter entirely. Not go through months of court cases.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't Ammi and I can only put that down to my own bias . All I can say is, I understand being questioning and I even think in this case there IS a possibility that this individual is not being genuine; although if I had to go completely into the realms of guesswork I'd suggest there being perhaps a genuine trans identification that has been badly, badly mishandled in this person's past and has lead to fetishization and predatory activity.

All I would say though is no matter what the stance is on legal self-ID, it's totally separate to individual self-ID and really the gender that someone claims, should at least be respected in words / pronouns, even if there are no legal or access rights along with it or until later in the process.

For example - as far as I'm aware - legal self-ID is not really "a thing" in the UK yet and there are several steps to full legal transition. My wife has worked with several teenagers exploring transgender and the general rule of thumb is, while the road to OFFICIALLY changing gender is a long one, you still refer to that individual as "he", "she" etc. of their CHOSEN gender as soon as they ask for that to be done. It doesn't mean their passport is going to state their chosen gender or they will be legally considered their chosen gender, it's just etiquette.

So yeah... the awful person this thread is about... should be "she" until she says otherwise.

...you’re own bias.....as in ‘seek and you shall find’, which is what I touched on earlier...that what you were looking for../...expecting or whatever was not really there as such or maybe a little but you may have helped cause it ...is that fair..?...it actually was there with me though and you completely missed it because you were over scrutinising elsewhere..?.../...to a degree obviously because I’m not laying all fault with you, not one bit...I honestly don’t know if this person is transitioning at all, which is my reluctance...or if it’s all just money/income generating..?...they were very precise about how much money was gained from each tribunal...(...I feel..)...as though this person may research who they feel would refuse to wax and then target them with the sole intention of...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And in your eyes she is still the victim...
You haven't passed one comment on the beauticians in this case, where is your concern for their mental health?...

I haven't sympathised with them once and have repeatedly referred to them as a dangerous, predatory paedophile. Honestly if you look into it - as awful as the effect on the beautician's livelihoods has been - this is the LEAST of what this person is out there doing and I think there is probably a very real risk posed.

I've also said multiple times that the legal loopholes that are being used to exploit people and destroy their businesses need to be addressed and, in fact, I'm sure I said (or at least I have when discussing this elsewhere) that I think it's ridiculous that a business that involves getting up close and personal with people's genitals doesn't have the right to refuse service without question.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not gender pronouns should be respected? Like I said, an M2F serial killer should still be "she". It doesn't mean I sympathise with their crimes?

[Vicky.]

The pronoun argument, Yaniv goes by both he and she too. He uses both Jonathon and Jessica as names also. So its not really possible to misgender him, as he uses both depending on the situation..

[Ammi]

...why is this story just coming to light if it’s been well known for many years, as Vicky is saying...and what about the predatory behaviour with children...has that not been investigated ...and if it has, things have been posted so why no conviction..?....


....uggghhhh I said before I was done with this story for the moment ...it’s too confusing and conflicting and something is defiantly off about it...just not enough information...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...why is this story just coming to light if it’s been well known for many years, as Vicky is saying...and what about the predatory behaviour with children...has that not been investigated ...and if it has, things have been posted so why no conviction..?....


....uggghhhh I said before I was done with this story for the moment ...it’s too confusing and conflicting and something is defiantly off about it...just not enough information...

He is very good at getting mention of him wiped from existence. No diea about no conviction. Morgane Oger..a prominent transactivist in Canada has posted about him before too..2 secs. The predatory side of it is absolutely true.

Edit. Ogers take on this..

https://morganeoger.ca/2019/04/19/pr...f-who-you-are/

And no one could possibly call Oger transphobic, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The pronoun argument, Yaniv goes by both he and she too. He uses both Jonathon and Jessica as names also. So its not really possible to misgender him, as he uses both depending on the situation..

...yeah that was the other thing actually which I forgot ...it had stated the person identified by both he and she../..using Jonathan and Jessica...so I made a decision which I would use because I don’t atm believe anything about them...again this is a very unique and individual case with no direct comparisons...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

they seem targeted aswell, women who were struggling a bit, single mothers and immigrants who may not have the means to fight their case and stand up for themselves properly

Yes I agree there will be lots of places who said yes to the treatment, from the interview there are multiple businesses being sued. Some have settled, some gone out of business and many still ongoing cases the amount of money involved is $8000- $15,000!
And our sympathy should be with this exploitative preditor?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes I agree there will be lots of places who said yes to the treatment, from the interview there are multiple businesses being sued. Some have settled, some gone out of business and many still ongoing cases the amount of money involved is $8000- $15,000!
And our sympathy should be with this exploitative preditor?

...it was very precise about the money sums as the interviewer made an error with one amount and it was immediately corrected...that’s one of the things that is really off for me...the winning of the tribunals seemed to be all about the cash over not feeling as though equality was being applied...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Vicky has just said that it's been going on for years and she's posted on here about this very individual before. There are whole websites about this person. It's not THAT under wraps, is it.

It is quite under wraps still tbf. He gets pretty much all mention of his name removed from twitter by legal proceedings, mention of his name pretty much anywhere, half expecting james to get a legal letter over this thread.

When he loses this tribunal (as I cannot even contemplate that he could win..what precident would that set for women?!) I imagine some of the canadian papers might pick up on it a bit more. There WAS a reporting restriction until a couple of days ago..quite surprised its not all out properly now and still seems to be quite hush hush.

The only reason there is a website specifically about him too..is because he was so sucessful at getting peoples posts about him deleted everywhere.

Either way, clear predator, clearly mentally ill, clearly should lose. And a clear problem with self-ID and how the system is going/set up.

[Vicky.]

Niamh often posts about feminist stuff tbh. And you cannot really get more of a feminist issue, than a bloke trying to sue (multiple) women for refusing to touch his balls. And the system allowing this circus when surely, anyone with half a brain can see whats going on here.

[Twosugars]

Forgive a lighter mode, but am I the only one who finds the word scrotum funny?
A scrotal sack is even funnier


Ok, sorry.

[Ammi]

...I still don’t understand, Vicky...(...sorry I’m not being antagonistic...)....but Yaniv is restricting any reporting of and yet I believe it was Yaniv who posted inside the tribunal of what took place...surely that’s odd and conflicting...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Forgive a lighter mode, but am I the only one who finds the word scrotum funny?
A scrotal sack is even funnier


Ok, sorry.

I always liked it in EastEnders when they referred to people as a "scrote", like... just calling people a ballbag on prime time telly.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I still don’t understand, Vicky...(...sorry I’m not being antagonistic...)....but Yaniv is restricting any reporting of and yet I believe it was Yaniv who posted inside the tribunal of what took place...surely that’s odd and conflicting...

Its all confusing. Yaniv claimed that reporting would impact his privacy (and 'out' his trans status too..IIRC..which is odd as he is openly trans) so there was a restriction. However, Yaniv has throughout the tribunal been posting about the case, so naturally the judge said..well hang on, if you are concerned about privacy issues, then why are you posting about it yourself?! Hes appealing the restriction being lifted, but don't think he will be sucessful there.

Its all just..baffling tbh.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its all confusing. Yaniv claimed that reporting would impact his privacy (and 'out' his trans status too..IIRC..which is odd as he is openly trans) so there was a restriction. However, Yaniv has throughout the tribunal been posting about the case, so naturally the judge said..well hang on, if you are concerned about privacy issues, then why are you posting about it yourself?! Hes appealing the restriction being lifted, but don't think he will be sucessful there.

Its all just..baffling tbh.

..that’s why I’m finding it difficult to get my thoughts together on and comment on because I feel as though we’re only getting half a story ...and the half a story we’re getting is almost designed to cause these kind of reactions that we’re getting in this thread...a trolling, divisive effect ..because so much is barely being touched on by the media who are reporting.../...really worrying stuff of a terrifying predator...this isn’t a trans issue so much as a predator issue ...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that’s why I’m finding it difficult to get my thoughts together on and comment on because I feel as though we’re only getting half a story ...and the half a story we’re getting is almost designed to cause these kind of reactions that we’re getting in this thread...a trolling, divisive effect ..because so much is barely being touched on by the media who are reporting.../...really worrying stuff of a terrifying predator...this isn’t a trans issue so much as a predator issue ...

Quite. Same as the issue with selfID has always been tbh. **** all to do with transsexuals (actually many transsexuals disagree with self ID too anyway) and all to do with loopholes and perverts.

[Vicky.]

http://archive.is/xqu5H
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...570880512.html

Couple of updates from tribunal, not sure if they have been posted, but its fascinating, seeing the 'neo nazi' type arguments.

The period fetish thing weirds me out almost more than the obsession with young girls. Mind, the young girls thing is linked to the period thing too it seems

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://archive.is/xqu5H
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...570880512.html

Couple of updates from tribunal, not sure if they have been posted, but its fascinating, seeing the 'neo nazi' type arguments.

The period fetish thing weirds me out almost more than the obsession with young girls. Mind, the young girls thing is linked to the period thing too it seems

...it’s weird and gets more weird...it states there is a ban on making public anything from the tribunal proceedings...but there’s more or less the full transcript online plus a video recording...I mean how was it not noticed that someone was taking a video recording throughout something like that...?...all odd...