[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

“Mental illness and hatred pull the trigger, not the gun,” he said.




President Donald Trump condemned white supremacy on Monday, calling for
Americans to unite around several proposals to help identify and prevent mass
shootings.


“In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white
supremacy,” Trump said. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate
has no place in America, hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and
devours the soul.”


The president signaled support for stronger laws regulating the Internet,
social media, and violent video games and supported the concept of improved
mental health and “red flag” laws, allowing relatives to recommend court-
ordered seizures of their firearms.


We must recognize that the Internet has provided a dangerous avenue to
radicalize disturbed minds and perform demented acts,” he said. “We must
shine a light on the dark recesses of the Internet and stop mass murders
before they start.”


Social media, he said, was an “evil contagion” for hatred.


The president also blamed violent and “gruesome and grisly” video games
for contributing to the shootings.


“It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture
that celebrates violence,” he said. “We must stop or substantially reduce this
and it has to begin immediately.”


Trump also called for stronger mental health laws that would help “better
identify” mentally disturbed individuals capable of mass shootings.


He proposed that new laws could ensure that individuals suffering from mental
health could “not only get treatment but when necessary, involuntary
confinement.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...olitics-latest
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ass-shootings/

Yes CNNHD last night had Joe Biden on
but he is all over the place on subjects.


At least Trump has changed his views

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes CNNHD last night had Jo Biden on
but he is all over the place on subjects.


At least Trump has changed his views

What views has he changed Arista? Specifically, I mean.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What views has he changed Arista? Specifically, I mean.

"Condemn Racism,
Bigotry and
White Supremacy,"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

"Condemn Racism,
Bigotry and
White Supremacy,"

Ok, we'll see if that's really true, considering he was already back to blaming the media shortly after reading the statement that someone had written for him and bears no resemblance to anything he's ever done. I do like the fact, that by admitting he's changed his views, you're now admitting that Trump promoted white supremacy.

Which does kinda leave me wondering why people on this forum, you included, have gone out of the way to support his agenda?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ok, we'll see if that's really true, considering he was already back to blaming the media shortly after reading the statement that someone had written for him and bears no resemblance to anything he's ever done. I do like the fact, that by admitting he's changed his views, you're now admitting that Trump promoted white supremacy.

Which does kinda leave me wondering why people on this forum, you included, have gone out of the way to support his agenda?

Its better than nothing


As for USA Nazi Groups
Trump could not stop them
like the President before him.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"Condemn Racism,
Bigotry and
White Supremacy,"

Let's see what he does about it, shall we

These words were not his, they were written for him

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Let's see what he does about it, shall we

These words were not his, they were written for him

Of Course

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Its better than nothing


As for USA Nazi Groups
Trump could not stop them
like the President before him.

Supporting a white supremacist is better than nothing? We'll have to agree to disagree with that, especially when there is another option.

There is also a difference between trying to combat white nationalists, for which Obama was a target, aided by folks like trump who refused to acknowledge he was even a citizen, and using white nationalist language.

Trump is currently trying to classify Antifa as a terrorist organisation, whilst at the same time tickling the tummys of pepe the frog loving Nazi's on 4chan, who are "good people" according to him.

It's not only Trump that needs to change his views, my friend.

[Twosugars]

Tbh I'm genuinely baffled how otherwise rational people can support this giant orange arsehole...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tbh I'm genuinely baffled how otherwise rational people can support this giant orange arsehole...

an arsehole he's not though, he's great at his show the apprentice/celeb apprentice

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not all people that own guns go on mass shootings
not all people that play video games go on mass shootings
not all people who watch horror films go on mass shootings


but some do

Not all people who eat cheese become astronauts
Not all people who wear socks become astronauts
Not all people who have a nose become astronauts


but some do

[Marsh.]

So mass shootings are caused by movies and single parents?

So why is America the only place this is happening?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So mass shootings are caused by movies and single parents?

So why is America the only place this is happening?

It's not, there was a mass shooting in Cumbria this decade. Some nutcase called Derrick Bird.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not, there was a mass shooting in Cumbria this decade. Some nutcase called Derrick Bird.

How come it's so very rare?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

How come it's so very rare?

We have less nutters than America.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not, there was a mass shooting in Cumbria this decade. Some nutcase called Derrick Bird.

"This decade".

How many people did he manage to kill compared to in the US and how often does this happen?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

We have less nutters than America.

Nutters slang for guns?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

We have less nutters than America.

That's statistically unlikely.

[Kizzy]

If this forum is a stratified sample of British society we have waaay more....

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

...wow that’s powerful stuff, he has such passion....I agree with everything he says...Trump’s mindset is sadly an echo of what must be in so many hearts...it’s interesting what he says of ‘its every generation’...I haven’t known a regression like this before...

[Kizzy]

That is very powerful, I've said on this forum many times I feel there is a similar undercurrent in England, so much of what he said can ve mirrored here. There are still colonialist attitudes here, right now they are at the fore, the most evident and apparent they've been since Edwardian times imo.
Trump being not to blame is to an extent true, same with Johnson here they are figureheads for a movement.
A collective malaise that has always been around but more adequately suppressed.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...wow that’s powerful stuff, he has such passion....I agree with everything he says...Trump’s mindset is sadly an echo of what must be in so many hearts...it’s interesting what he says of ‘its every generation’...I haven’t known a regression like this before...

i don't think it is a regression sadly. Everything in America has been papering over the cracks. Trump is a symptom, not the cause unfortunately.

I think we are seeing the same effect across europe too

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think it is a regression sadly. Everything in America has been papering over the cracks. Trump is a symptom, not the cause unfortunately.

I think we are seeing the same effect across europe too

...that’s it though, Bots..(...I don’t know if regression is the correct thought but..)....there are generations who would have given no credence to a Donald Trump...no validation at all..?...those cracks would not be screaming so loud and proud as they are today in this generation..?...and similar in Europe, as you say...there has to be a reason for that...

...the power of his words is still ringing with me...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...that’s it though, Bots..(...I don’t know if regression is the correct thought but..)....there are generations who would have given no credence to a Donald Trump...an validation at all..?...those cracks would not be screaming so loud and proud as they are today in this generation..?...and similar in Europe, as you say...there has to be a reason for that...

...the power of his words is still ringing with me...

i think there are generations where their thoughts have been suppressed. Donald Trump came along and they have once again been able to voice their thoughts. Donald Trump is in power because of years of suppression. The dems can moan all they like, but they are responsible for people finally saying enough is enough, I will be heard and the result is Trump. Trump has a support base of around 30% of the population. In normal circumstances that wouldn't be enough to win, but throw Clinton into the mix, a dose of Russian interference and you have a Trump win. People should not rely on democracy to remove Trump either. He will use every trick in the book to win in 2020 and if he was prepared to play dirty before, be in no doubt it will be a lot worse in 2020.