[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....lots and lots and lots of sporting personalities have ‘erred in the past’...I still don’t see how whether Tyson Fury should be given this award has any bearing on something that Kobe Bryant did in his past...

the thread is about does what famous sports stars say or do in the past have bearing on how popular they are now - do we forgive male sports stars more

Tyson has said some hateful stuff and now he is lauded as a king. Bryant raped a girl but people ignored that and lauded him as a basketball god.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....lots and lots and lots of sporting personalities have ‘erred in the past’...I still don’t see how whether Tyson Fury should be given this award has any bearing on something that Kobe Bryant did in his past...

i didn't really have you down as a big basketball fan?

[Beso]

He hasn't even said anything that grim considering it's only one man's opinion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He hasn't even said anything that grim considering it's only one man's opinion.

I don't particularly care if he thinks women should be at the sink, I know I wont be so that's that

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

as a woman I don't particularly care if he thinks women should be at the sink, I know I wont be so that's that

He can think what the hell he wants, and air those thoughts as far as I'm concerned..lucky buggers 6ft 80 inches, his wife's frying pan will just about graze his belly button.

Me on the other hand just wouldn't air them...but I should still be allowed to think them..whatever they are.

That's where social media comes in..people are not themselves.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He hasn't even said anything that grim considering it's only one man's opinion.

It's all pretty grim

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 1992, Mike Tyson was convicted of rape and sentenced to six years in prison. People love him now and he starred in the hangover film

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In 1992, Mike Tyson was convicted of rape and sentenced to six years in prison. People love him now and he starred in the hangover film

I’m still praying for Andy Gray’s return to tv sport .. he made a sexist comment as I recall .


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[Black Dagger]

He's a toxic bellend. A talented one but I don't support his work bc he's an awful person and that's that.

[Marsh.]

Kobe Bryant was a rapist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Kobe Bryant was a rapist?

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo. He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman. He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin. After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify. After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.” He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.

https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant...icated-legacy/

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo. He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman. He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin. After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify. After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.” He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.



https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant...icated-legacy/

‘blood from skin’ was apparently from the tradesmen’s entrance.... ‘back door’ badly damaged ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

‘blood from skin’ was apparently from the tradesmen’s entrance.... ‘back door’ badly damaged ..


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GRIM

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo. He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman. He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin. After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify. After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.” He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.

https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant...icated-legacy/

Scum.

[Denver]

But how much blood money did he donate from WWE?

[Niamh.]

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Yes agree with that. If someone has a genuine change of heart and really realises how awful and damaging their opinions were then fair enough but his "apology" was just lip service

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Yes agree with that. If someone has a genuine change of heart and really realises how awful and damaging their opinions were then fair enough but his "apology" was just lip service

But how many people keep their true feelings hidden, and people think they are so great but deep down they are full of hate.

You can despise your Boss but don’t tell them what you really think because you would lose your job.

Philip Schofield kept his secret for at least 17 years afraid of the consequences.

People have skeletons in their closets.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But how many people keep their true feelings hidden, and people think they are so great but deep down they are full of hate.

You can despise your Boss but don’t tell them what you really think because you would lose your job.

Philip Schofield kept his secret for at least 17 years afraid of the consequences.

People have skeletons in their closets.

That has literally nothing to do with the point I made. Tyson Fury made his vile opinions public so therefore everybody knows what they are.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That has literally nothing to do with the point I made. Tyson Fury made his vile opinions public so therefore everybody knows what they are.

You can have an opinion on some one for some thing they have have said but there are plenty of people that are under the radar.

And how do we know people have changed because they say so.

How many criminals have told the parole board they are going straight just to get out of jail.

People can say all sorts of things, it’s weather they truly believe in them is my point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can have an opinion on some one for some thing they have have said but there are plenty of people that are under the radar.

And how do we know people have changed because they say so.

How many criminals have told the parole board they are going straight just to get out of jail.

People can say all sorts of things, it’s weather they truly believe in them is my point.

I honestly have no idea why you're going on about Philip Schofield and parole boards. Yes people can say whatever they want and yes it's up to you whether you believe them or not, that's literally the point I made, I didn't believe his last "apology"

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Someone with a question mark over their past behaviour who has overcome their demons and can stand up and say "I used to hold some awful opinions and say some awful things - I look back and see things differently now, and here's why ... ..." may well still be deserving of accolades...

Yes agree with that. If someone has a genuine change of heart and really realises how awful and damaging their opinions were then fair enough but his "apology" was just lip service

Yup, it was evidenced by him angrily walking out of that interview when they asked him about it. It smacks of him getting annoyed that people keep bringing it up because he did the bare minimum to try and smooth it over.

He hasn't changed one bit, I bet. There's no reason for him to, he barely faced any consequences when it all came out.

[bots]

i don't think the guy is blessed with a lot of intelligence, and it shows. The boxing profession isn't exactly renowned for it's mental prowess.

This brings back to the fore the argument that people lacking intelligence shouldn't be allowed to vote

[Livia]

He's a fraction above the people who park their caravans on public land, nick stuff out of people's sheds and leave the place like a pig sty when they leave.

And if he finds that racist or offensive... in five years I will say I was wrong.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's a fraction above the people who park their caravans on public land, nick stuff out of people's sheds and leave the place like a pig sty when they leave.

And if he finds that racist or offensive... in five years I will say I was wrong.

I find that a really uncalled for comment

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

sorry but I find that a really nasty comment

Yes, it is. As nasty as his comments about Jews. And like I said, I'll give it five years and apologise.