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user104658 · 11-04-2020, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not nonsense they could have stuck a non essential travel ban on China, pretty sure Donald did and I dont agree with much he does, but there were the usual murmerings ....

Donald was in the midst of a trade war with China spanning years and has been critical of the US economy's reliance on Chinese manufacturing since the start of his term. The UK, thanks to Brexit, has been openly, and desperately, seeking trade deals and agreements from non-EU sources. Boris has been very, very keen to forge strong links with China to the extent that he even flat out refused best-buddy-Trump when Trump strongly suggested that the UK should abandon its 5G infrastructure deal with Huawei.

The reason the UK government was hesitant to close off travel to and from China was purely diplomatic. It was PR.

Cherie · 11-04-2020, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Donald was in the midst of a trade war with China spanning years and has been critical of the US economy's reliance on Chinese manufacturing since the start of his term. The UK, thanks to Brexit, has been openly, and desperately, seeking trade deals and agreements from non-EU sources. Boris has been very, very keen to forge strong links with China to the extent that he even flat out refused best-buddy-Trump when Trump strongly suggested that the UK should abandon its 5G infrastructure deal with Huawei.

The reason the UK government was hesitant to close off travel to and from China was purely diplomatic. It was PR.

You are not getting it are you... Donald has no need to trade with China, yet slapping a travel ban earned him a racist tag even though it was done to prevent the transmission, yet you say if the UK slapped a travel ban..no one would have objected on the grounds of race..I dont think that’s right

user104658 · 11-04-2020, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

You are not getting it are you... Donald has no need to trade with China, yet slapping a travel ban earned him a racist tag even though it was done to prevent the transmission, yet you say if the UK slapped a travel ban..no one would have objected on the grounds of race..I dont think that’s right

Donny slapped a travel ban on China when it had already spread to most of Europe and given the situation in the US now, it didn't do much good did it? He also (very briefly) put a travel ban on most of Europe but not the UK, because "the UK didn't have many cases", when the UK had more cases than most other European countries.

Trumps gets called racist because he is racist.

GoldHeart · 11-04-2020, 11:24 PM

100% Trump acted too late , and it hardly did any good.

The deluded idiot wanted people to freely go out at Easter without any safety measures

, they have the worst person in charge over there he's completely nuts! .

And he keeps pushing for an early lift from lockdown, but there's already places in America with people crowded who don't give a damn . New York is affected the most I think . He doesn't care .

bots · 12-04-2020, 07:52 AM

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do

arista · 12-04-2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump was and still is completely out of his depth on dealing with covid, that's the simple truth. He doesn't know what to do

He is letting his Team of doctors & advisers direct it

arista · 12-04-2020, 08:07 AM

Selling well
in USA

MTVN · 12-04-2020, 08:10 AM

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then

arista · 12-04-2020, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Trump put the ban on travel from China in place on Feb 2nd so it was very early in the crisis - UK and Italy both only had 2 cases at that point so it hadn't really got a foothold in Europe then

Yes he was Bang on Right

Josy · 12-04-2020, 08:30 AM

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.

James · 12-04-2020, 08:41 AM

I just think it is a force of nature at this point, and governments are having to play it by ear to some degree.

Nicky91 · 12-04-2020, 08:49 AM

my mom is against our dutch government, our RIVM

honestly i'm not complaining against their actions, people first disobeyed advice to stay home here, but now majority of people here stay home

Germany has reopened certain stores again, whilst also still giving necessary advice to stay home, they even go to live broadcasting a ''easter at home special, things to do at home around easter time'' quite a few germans who usually come to Netherlands here they decide to stay home and listen to advice

our local radio Omroep Brabant plays loads of cheerful, bit party music to spread more positivity among people here, since many music festivals have been cancelled here too

one mayor of a town schijndel who was disappointed in cancelling easterpop music festival, he did request the radio to host a sort of top 40 line up of rock/alternative rock songs what usually is played at easterpop, he also had a cake being delivered at omroep brabant studio, just for their efforts during this crisis so far

Zizu · 12-04-2020, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I dont get the criticism of the government (not just ours) they make decisions based on scientific and medical information that comes from advisors. The whole world is dealing with a new pandemic and working with very little information so I think the government are doing the best they can whilst navigating through uncharted water, it could have been anyone in charge and they would be blamed for the situation we have found ourselves in so instead of trying to find blame we should all be doing our part to get through this.

When it all got serious the political parties all agreed to work together and put ‘political point scoring’ on hold .. but now the new Labour leader has to make an impression he’s said he won’t hesitate to criticise any decisions and that useless shadow health minister yesterday was happy to criticise most of the decisions taken so far ..

Predictable but sooo disappointing

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bots · 12-04-2020, 09:19 AM

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.

We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.

The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one

The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term

Zizu · 12-04-2020, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

governments are having to react to events rather than drive them, so it's a different scenario from all of them.

We didn't react too late in locking down, because the fundamental fact is that the virus has to get to a certain stage before a lockdown becomes effective. Do it too soon and people will just ignore it.

The lack of PPE is a dreadful situation, but there isn't a government in the world that was prepared for that one

The death figures will be what they will be, that may sound very harsh, but its a fact. No country is out the woods on this until its under control world wide, so saying 1 country is better than another over a particular week/month will mean nothing in the long term

Wise words indeed

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Smithy · 29-04-2020, 07:33 PM

UK deaths: ~26,000
Italy deaths ~27,000

Thoughts on this @ everyone on the first page

Denver · 29-04-2020, 08:02 PM

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

Kizzy · 29-04-2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Italy hasn't added the care home and community deaths have they?

Neither have we yet.

Denver · 29-04-2020, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Neither have we yet.

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

Kizzy · 29-04-2020, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The 26,000 includes care home deaths

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

Denver · 29-04-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right thought that was from tomorrow but no it was today. That does not mean the UK won't pass Italy in the mortality rate for Covid 19, most experts in a Europe are suggesting that's a given now.

It's hard to judge because Italy have a huge Elder population and their care homes and people in the community would be at high risk