[joeysteele]

Nobody serious would or should want to write for the trash that is the Daily Mail.

I just hope to see that gutter publication cease being printed one day.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nobody serious would or should want to write for the trash that is the Daily Mail.

I just hope to see that gutter publication cease being printed one day.

So people wanting to change certain mindsets should not attempt to do so by confronting them direct and head on?

[Oliver_W]

Sir Keir is fine, why are people calling for him to resign?!

[Oliver_W]

Okay so apparently the twitterers are ****ting themselves because Sir Keir wrote a column for the Daily Mail

Jeez, it's just another gutter rag, it's not like he wrote for the Daily Stormer, or even appeared on Iran's propaganda network Labour will never climb out of its recent funk if it doesn't try to reach out to all sides, at least to some extent.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay so apparently the twitterers are ****ting themselves because Sir Keir wrote a column for the Daily Mail

Jeez, it's just another gutter rag, it's not like he wrote for the Daily Stormer, or even appeared on Iran's propaganda network Labour will never climb out of its recent funk if it doesn't try to reach out to all sides, at least to some extent.

Depends on the content of the article, I suppose.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Depends on the content of the article, I suppose.

This is true, but from what I gather -I don't read any tabloid tbh- it was an anti-tory article.

Plus, I bet the number of cartoon racists who read the DM is a lot smaller than working class "normies" in the Red Wall who read it.

Should he have written for the Guardian? These days it seems to appeal more to Bougie middle-classers than the blue collar working types ... arguably, just like Labour in recent years.

[arista]

[arista]

He was Live on SkyNewsHD

talking on a screen, for the TUC.

He is self isolating

He got a test as his wife works in a Hospital.
He is awaiting the result.

[arista]

No PMQ's
but today Keir was in Scotland.

[arista]

[Because of Covid-19, the party is holding "Labour Connected,"
a four-day digital get-together for activists and unions.

"We will not have anyone physically there
and therefore it will all be done virtually," said Sir Keir,
who will say a few words at the start and
make his big keynote speech on Tuesday morning.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...event-12075568

[joeysteele]

I can't see the point of conferences this year.
An election is way off.

Policies in light of brexit and covid could need to be changed several times over the next 2 to 3 years to come.

I'd have just dropped them this year myself.

[MTVN]

Pretty clear message

[Oliver_W]

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.

Who have they got to impress us ??


Jon Ashworth , Ed Miliband and Diane Abbott spring to mind ... what a scary thought .

Part of me wishes Labour could just ‘take over’ NOW - to see what a mess THEY would make of the pandemic/Brexit talks etc

At least it would provide some comic value entertainment..


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.

I agree with most of that.

I just however at this time, think it's near Impossible to present much that's new.

I don't want to see a long list of criticising the reactions of this pandemic, I do that myself yes,however I am glad to see the opposition support the government when they do anything better to deal with it.

They cannot present policies, they have no figures that are true in front of them, either in relation to the economy or this pandemic.
Brexit is still to be done.

Whatever is said at this time could be redundant by Spring next year.

Yes, good to see the team.
Someone mentioned Diane Abbott, she's not even in the cabinet anymore.
So rather petty to bring her name up.

Kier Starmer has a better team.
Actually Miliband was good as a Minister before being leader, he was excellent last week.

I think there were only 3 things in the main Labour need to change from the last election.
The Brexit confusion, that's done now.
Although badly with Johnson and his surge to no deal.
We still don't know if there will be one or not.

The leadership,I think Corbyn got unfair and vicious press, however in the election campaign I found he was a big drawback now.

anti-Semitism too.
Which is ongoing but with Starmer, such a better atmosphere around it and the belief he will not tolerate it in the slightest.

Other than that, policies, plans and even moderate future proposals are linked to this pandemic and the economy after brexit.

I just feel the conference season ought to have been put off this year.
Especially with this virus gaining strength again.

I'm often asked do I believe Labour would have done any better in this pandemic.
That cannot be answered by me really.

I think a more National coalition with the devolved assemblies too would have.

All I'd stick my neck out on, would be to say, I think Labour would have protected the vulnerable and elderly much more.
So likely resulting in a lot less care home deaths.

I don't think we would have ended up in the same holes, Italy, Spain and France sadly found themselves in.
With the UK not just diving into those holes after them but then digging our hole deeper.
As to deaths and lack of protection equipment and the farce of testing.

I doubt any other party or combination of parties could have been as deceitful and incompetent as Johnson and his absolutely wastes of space Ministers.
Particularly his surely truly discredited for all time now Health secretary.

[bots]

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

Yes Keir is doing his speech
on Tuesday
also the day the PM talks to us all.


He claims to be on good terms with the Unions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

Well reading yours, Oliver's and arista's views on this.
I bow to them.

Let's see what comes from it then.
As to the Unions, I agree with them most of the time however, they always have their own agenda too.

I can't see them in the main wanting to rock the boat.
Even less so in this setting of having no real physical presence audience to perform to.

However, you 3 have changed my mind.

[arista]

Sir Keir
is on
Sophie Ridge SkyNewsHD 8:30AM
Marr Show BBC1HD 9AM.

Today

[Zizu]

Starmer on Sophie Ridge NOW

He said the priority for testing HAS to be children ..

Sophie quickly said .. “ but Jonathan Ashworth says the priority has to be NHS staff and Liz Kendal says care homes has to be the priority and now you say children should be the priority... we live in the real world so what IS the priority?’

Starmer’s inspired response ??

“ Yes , those with symptoms, NHS staff , care homes ... and children- have to be he priorities! “

Laughable with a capital L !!


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[Nicky91]

idk if i may, but our Labour party (PVDA) is also working very hard, especially here for care workers that they #DeserveMoreThanApplause

this is basically our leader Asscher's main slogan to make sure all health care workers, other medical staff at frontlines get those extra bonusses


would love a video conference between Sir Keir and our Asscher (i mean dutch and british Labour parties had good contacts before too, with Corbyn having visited ours too few times)


i feel like this standing up for care workers, medical staff would be a good move by british labour party too

[arista]

Sir Keir
does not want another Scottish Referendum

Next May 2021 Local Elections.



He Confirmed at the End of Marr
BBC1HD

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Well I doubt any other party or leader really wants to see the break up of the UK.
Despite this lot acting as if they do by ignoring and dismissing the devolved governments.

Except for the extreme DUP party that is.

It is hypothetical until the next Holyrood elections.
However, if Nicola Sturgeon has independence in the SNP manifesto.
Plus she then gets the votes again in the Holyrood elections.
Commanding a majority in the the Holyrood governing body.

Then it's not hypothetical.
Plus then, all parties and leaders, have to either accept this now will of those in Scotland.
Or act in dictator fashion and hold Scotland as a virtual prisoner of the UK.

She will have her mandate then.
She hasn't the full one at present.

What she will have in that scenario is the right and mandate from Scotland to go again for independence.

The UK government, PM and other parties will have no mandate whatsoever to deny Scotland its will.
No matter their bluster now.

A bit more consensus politics and actually respecting, not dismissing, the devolved governments by the dictatorship of Johnson and his authoritarian cabinet.
Would help a little.

I think it's too late.
The remaining time this man is PM and this deceitful untruthful Government is in place.
I can only see the tide running even stronger for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland.

[The Slim Reaper]

Still gutted that the one opportunity for real change we had, was lied and smeared out of contention.